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[What's Burning?]

Pirelli, Mercedes, Nico and Lewis three days of testing in Barcelona after a Grand Prix and no one knew about it? This is a COA situation which has quickly turned into a find the scapegoat affair.

[bud]

When in doubt seek clarification from the FIW. Pirelli dangled a big carrot in front of Merc and they went for it.
knowing in season testing is banned thus must have been aware the consequences of their actions regardless of what contract Pirelli has in place with the FIA

[What's Burning?]

This was over at ESPNF1. It's a bold thing to claim by Mercedes, and it would be an inexplicable thing to say unless they did have something concrete from the FIA allowing the test to proceed. A get out of jail free card if you will.

Mercedes insists it was not a secret and claims it got the go-ahead from the FIA before conducting the test.

[spankyham]

This was over at ESPNF1. It's a bold thing to claim by Mercedes, and it would be an inexplicable thing to say unless they did have something concrete from the FIA allowing the test to proceed. A get out of jail free card if you will.

Mercedes insists it was not a secret and claims it got the go-ahead from the FIA before conducting the test.

I'm not sure its relevant whether it was secret or not.

I do agree that Merc did have FiA sanction to test, the question is, did they comply with any prerequisites?

Whatever happens, Nico and Lewis must not suffer for mistakes that Merc/Pirelli may have made.

[darwin dali]

Baffoon not baboon. iPad chose the word baboon. Actually baboons not bad

Hey, hey! What an insult to baboons

[racechick]

Baffoon not baboon. iPad chose the word baboon. Actually baboons not bad

Hey, hey! What an insult to baboons

Yes, sorry, I guess it is

[darwin dali]

Baffoon not baboon. iPad chose the word baboon. Actually baboons not bad

Hey, hey! What an insult to baboons

Yes, sorry, I guess it is

[racechick]

Baffoon not baboon. iPad chose the word baboon. Actually baboons not bad

Hey, hey! What an insult to baboons

Yes, sorry, I guess it is

You're right, those eyes look far more trustworthy than the bafoons!

[What's Burning?]

This was over at ESPNF1. It's a bold thing to claim by Mercedes, and it would be an inexplicable thing to say unless they did have something concrete from the FIA allowing the test to proceed. A get out of jail free card if you will.

Mercedes insists it was not a secret and claims it got the go-ahead from the FIA before conducting the test.

I'm not sure its relevant whether it was secret or not.

I do agree that Merc did have FiA sanction to test, the question is, did they comply with any prerequisites?

Whatever happens, Nico and Lewis must not suffer for mistakes that Merc/Pirelli may have made.

But that's the whole thing, if the FiA give the sanction to a test, that's the end of the story as far as Mercedes is concerned. From a legal standpoint, that's like asking a cop if you can park somewhere because you're unloading a few things and he says yeah, then another cop comes and gives you a ticket for parking there. The responsibility for this whole thing becomes who in the FiA provided Mercedes with that approval, and then go talk to them.

[schumifan]

I would hate to see Rosberg lose his victory since he drove so great.

Point is that Merc have an advantage if they did it legally or not. So just give the opportunity for all teams to go through the same test because if they don't the other teams will complain EVERY time they are beaten by a Merc(im a vettel fan). Im not sure you penalise Merc but give the chance to all teams for sure

[darwin dali]

This was over at ESPNF1. It's a bold thing to claim by Mercedes, and it would be an inexplicable thing to say unless they did have something concrete from the FIA allowing the test to proceed. A get out of jail free card if you will.

Mercedes insists it was not a secret and claims it got the go-ahead from the FIA before conducting the test.

I'm not sure its relevant whether it was secret or not.

I do agree that Merc did have FiA sanction to test, the question is, did they comply with any prerequisites?

Whatever happens, Nico and Lewis must not suffer for mistakes that Merc/Pirelli may have made.

But that's the whole thing, if the FiA give the sanction to a test, that's the end of the story as far as Mercedes is concerned. From a legal standpoint, that's like asking a cop if you can park somewhere because you're unloading a few things and he says yeah, then another cop comes and gives you a ticket for parking there. The responsibility for this whole thing becomes who in the FiA provided Mercedes with that approval, and then go talk to them.

Your analogy doesn't quite work though. A more fitting one would be: the cop tells you, yes, it's ok to park in that spot as long as you park within that space and don't encroach into the handicap space next to it. Pirelli and Mercedes seemed to have encroached into the handicap space and that's what's now being discussed.

[What's Burning?]

This was over at ESPNF1. It's a bold thing to claim by Mercedes, and it would be an inexplicable thing to say unless they did have something concrete from the FIA allowing the test to proceed. A get out of jail free card if you will.

Mercedes insists it was not a secret and claims it got the go-ahead from the FIA before conducting the test.

I'm not sure its relevant whether it was secret or not.

I do agree that Merc did have FiA sanction to test, the question is, did they comply with any prerequisites?

Whatever happens, Nico and Lewis must not suffer for mistakes that Merc/Pirelli may have made.

But that's the whole thing, if the FiA give the sanction to a test, that's the end of the story as far as Mercedes is concerned. From a legal standpoint, that's like asking a cop if you can park somewhere because you're unloading a few things and he says yeah, then another cop comes and gives you a ticket for parking there. The responsibility for this whole thing becomes who in the FiA provided Mercedes with that approval, and then go talk to them.

Your analogy doesn't quite work though. A more fitting one would be: the cop tells you, yes, it's ok to park in that spot as long as you park within that space and don't encroach into the handicap space next to it. Pirelli and Mercedes seemed to have encroached into the handicap space and that's what's now being discussed.

In my analogy the cops says since you're unloading stuff and won't bee too long, here's my name and badge number and a note I've written telling you it's okay to park there this once.

[darwin dali]

This was over at ESPNF1. It's a bold thing to claim by Mercedes, and it would be an inexplicable thing to say unless they did have something concrete from the FIA allowing the test to proceed. A get out of jail free card if you will.

Mercedes insists it was not a secret and claims it got the go-ahead from the FIA before conducting the test.

I'm not sure its relevant whether it was secret or not.

I do agree that Merc did have FiA sanction to test, the question is, did they comply with any prerequisites?

Whatever happens, Nico and Lewis must not suffer for mistakes that Merc/Pirelli may have made.

But that's the whole thing, if the FiA give the sanction to a test, that's the end of the story as far as Mercedes is concerned. From a legal standpoint, that's like asking a cop if you can park somewhere because you're unloading a few things and he says yeah, then another cop comes and gives you a ticket for parking there. The responsibility for this whole thing becomes who in the FiA provided Mercedes with that approval, and then go talk to them.

Your analogy doesn't quite work though. A more fitting one would be: the cop tells you, yes, it's ok to park in that spot as long as you park within that space and don't encroach into the handicap space next to it. Pirelli and Mercedes seemed to have encroached into the handicap space and that's what's now being discussed.

In my analogy the cops says since you're unloading stuff and won't bee too long, here's my name and badge number and a note I've written telling you it's okay to park there this once.

Uh no, the cop advised Pirelli and Mercedes about certain conditions - didn't you read that? And Pirelli and Mercedes didn't follow that advice.

[What's Burning?]

^^ and that's what the FiA are saying... we've got no idea if that it's accurate or what actually happened. A go ahead okaying it came from someone at the FiA issued to Mercedes, if it didn't their entire argument falls apart. If it did, then it's a pretty iron clad defense against any punishment being issues to Mercedes because of it.

We'll find out soon enough.

[vaptin]

I remembered this yesterday, DD has already said it,

From my understanding, the FIA said the test was legal (and maybe said other things, but lets go on what we know), on the condition the other teams had the same opportunity, I suspect that was in relation to the current years car being tested. There are probably other conditions, for any tyre test by Perelli, like let the FIA know first (which is why that was included in the Stewards, compliant, they said the FIA wasn't informed).

In other words, the exception to in season testing, and this contract clause applies, but the stewards report, and referral to the General Council (world council?) clearly states they did not receive any evidence that other teams were given an equal opportunity, the other teams seem surprised too, again suggesting the condition wasn't adhered too. The FIA advice, clearly states, the test is only legal under that condition (as I mentioned earlier, there are probably many others, but this was the one raised because it was different due to using the current car).

I think only Redbull and Ferrari protested, because they are the only ones with the resources (lawyers, legal fees etc.) and the commitment to see it through (in the title fight, this makes a big difference to them).

What I am curious about, is how the teams found out on the race weekend at Monaco? I mean, they probably noticed testing, sure, but thought nothing off it (i.e. just the 2 year old car thing), maybe the FIA or steward's there raised the issue first, leading to the teams finding out.

I think, so if this clause by Perrelli doesn't stand up, Mercedes are implicated too, they were obviously involved too, so your suggestion that the Perrelli contract supersedes the Sporting Regulations, won't apply, (well it will, its just the Perelli contract may have been found to have been not adhered too).

If that really was the FIA's advice to Mercedes and Perelli, it seems pretty clear the other teams had to be informed.

So the analogy is, you ask the cop for permission to park here, he says ok, but only during weekends, you park in a weekday, you say "but he said I could park there", obviously this is just my current interpretation.