Exactly. Again we have some spurious and libelous anti-McLaren propaganda being spread by some folk. The only fact we have about McLaren's role in this is we don't know their involvement. It's unlikely McLaren were involved in my view. The people who should be taking abuse are Ecclestone and his acolytes, and Mosley's lot. Formula One continues to be a laughing stock. I say again, the FIA needs root and branch reform.
To be honest, I don't think Mercedes would have had to say anything. They and some of McLaren's other sponsors have names which speak for themselves. Ecclestone was probably worried about this from the start. I'd personally be a little worried in his position. Imagine people from Vodafone and Mercedes not having an access to decent VIP facilities?! The FIA and Ecclestone should not have agreed this part of the punishment at the start. They now look like complete idiots (again).
Supporters of McLaren will undoubtedly hold bitterness towards the FIA for various things. I wouldn't say I'm over the spy scandal per se, but I've moved on and am looking forward to next season. The McLaren staff did a sublime job last season in the face of so many things in 2007 and will want to give the two fingers to everybody at the FIA by having a great 2008. I'm sure bud is the same.
How many times? I've long moved on. What happened will never be forgotten by me, but I'm really looking forward to 2008 and having a good laugh as McLaren give the FIA the two fingers on the track.
I think, Gregg, you're the one in denial. Everybody knows Ferrari have unfair advantages over the other teams and that they have no shame in taking victories whatever way they come.
The temperature technicality was completely different for a number of reasons. The teams were in clear breach of the rules and should have got some form of penalty, either in the form of points but, more reasonably, a fine. McLaren had nothing to lose and said that they owed it to Hamilton to appeal rather than themselves. Further, Ferrari use appeals and complain all the time, so McLaren may as well have done the same. I'm sure there are several more reasons I could think of, but it's not the issue about which I wish to speak.
Yes, it is true that everybody can appeal a decision in Formula One but, again, I point out that who will be hearing your appeal? The FIA which has an inbuilt Ferrari bias on its WMSC, a stewarding system which is inconsistent and biased, a President with an anti-McLaren agenda (all of these three bodies bodies having no accountability) and Ecclestone who will make a decision based on how much money he will make or lose. As a result, Ferrari get a result which is beneficial to them and the other teams don't. It's the same outside of the appeals process whereby the FIA suddenly declare something or other banned (Michelin tyres, mass dampers) for no good reason other than for the benefit and at the behest of the Maranello mob.
Well, he is saying that because of the politics McLaren lost out, so that is a pretty good excuse.
And why is that? Because McLaren were taken for a ride in 2007 (and have been son before [as have other teams]). It's quite a big issue and a perfectly legitimate excuse. For what it's worth, I haven't seen any knowledgeable posts on here that contradict the pro-McLaren point of view, just a pack of lies yoked with supposition, inadequate facts and bias. I wouldn't expect the masses following the Maranello mob to ever understand.
Yeah and Renault's actions made McLaren look like Saints and they got off. Care to explain that one, Gregg, or is this FIA crock of s*** a figment of my imagination? Like I say. I would never expect a Ferrari fan to understand. If there ever is a day when their beloved team is shafted by the sport like McLaren (and others to a lesser degree) have been I will laugh and lap it all up, as I enjoy reading all their protestations and lamentations.
What are you on? I've said to you before that I'm not worried about the spy scandal and that I'm looking forward to 2008. The only childish behaviour on here was started by the Ferrari lambs and other folk with their anti-McLaren agendas. The fact is McLaren were unfairly treated last season, the fact is people on this forum have not assessed all the facts or choosing a select few of them to fit their desired point of view. And what has the fifth pit lane garage got to do with anything? Ecclestone did that to suit his own agenda and it hardly atones for being robbed of a constructors' title, victimised by a Ferrari smear campaign, and seeing Renault get off scott-free despite being even more guilty than McLaren. Basically Gregg, you're trying to turn this around on bud and I and it clearly isn't working.
Sorry, you're the one with the blinkers on. Carry on denying the facts, for that's the FIA-Ferrari way.
If anybody believes McLaren were treated fairly last season (which could apply to others in the past as well) they are the ones in dreamland.
Maybe you should get your eyes tested because I've said several times in the last twenty-fours that I'm looking forward to 2008 but so long as you keep spouting your anti-McLaren tifosi bollocks I will be right there to counter it.
I knew there was a reason I stopped posting on this forum.
I must be allergic to bullpoo.
I will resurrect this one just for you McLaren Fan it seems so appropriate.
I am sure you agree with them all
except for the last slide.
Ayrton Senna: Champion: 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991
McLaren: Champions: 1974, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1998,
1999,
2007,
2008 
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Nice comeback I can respect that, NOT!!! Anyway I'll leave you to your 'grandeur and superior concept of your own reality'. I bid you adu!
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