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[andrew]

WOW! Just wow! So much hate. They guy's made a few mistakes. Big-woop! he's not the first and he's not the last who'll be like that.

Surely you could say the same about Grosjean.....?

Grosjean has a long track record going right back to 2009 when he took over from Piquet Jnr.

And maldonado has taken out a marshal and received a 5 race ban for ignoring waved yellows.

When was this?

Monaco 2005. In fact he had his license revoked for nine races not five, sorry my error.
he broke the marshals back and was banned from ever driving in monaco again. He was only saved by his wealthy family stepping in to pay for the marshals medical treatment.

That's a long time ago. Pretty admirable that his family paid fo rmedical treatment.

oh my god Andrew only you could spin that as a positive towards Maldonado!!!!

It's called looking on the bright side rather than doom and gloom all the time.

[racechick]

WOW! Just wow! So much hate. They guy's made a few mistakes. Big-woop! he's not the first and he's not the last who'll be like that.

Surely you could say the same about Grosjean.....?

Grosjean has a long track record going right back to 2009 when he took over from Piquet Jnr.

And maldonado has taken out a marshal and received a 5 race ban for ignoring waved yellows.

When was this?

Monaco 2005. In fact he had his license revoked for nine races not five, sorry my error.
he broke the marshals back and was banned from ever driving in monaco again. He was only saved by his wealthy family stepping in to pay for the marshals medical treatment.

That's a long time ago. Pretty admirable that his family paid fo rmedical treatment.

It was to save Maldo's career. he'd never have got to F1 with a lifetime ban on driving in Monaco........and do you want to ammend your statement that Maldonado has never hurt anyone like Grosjean could have done?

[andrew]

Monaco 2005. In fact he had his license revoked for nine races not five, sorry my error.
he broke the marshals back and was banned from ever driving in monaco again. He was only saved by his wealthy family stepping in to pay for the marshals medical treatment.

That's a long time ago. Pretty admirable that his family paid fo rmedical treatment.[/quote]

It was to save Maldo's career. he'd never have got to F1 with a lifetime ban on driving in Monaco........and do you want to ammend your statement that Maldonado has never hurt anyone like Grosjean could have done?[/quote]

Why should I? The way you go on you think he woke up that morning and said to himself "I'm gonna knobble that marshal". Accidents happen.

But I tell you what I'll just be a f**king sheep will I? Pastor Maldo is the worst human ever since Hitler.

Happy?

[racechick]

You are unbelievable!! Words fail me.

[Denthúl]

I was going to write a sensible response, but decided it would be a waste of time, so let these highly-decorated Starfleet officers express my feelings on this particular part of the discussion.

[What's Burning?]

My teenaged son tells me that whenever you reference Hitler in a forum argument, you aromatically lose.

EDIT: apparently it's not just good etiquette, it's Goodwin's Law

[scotty]

Does this guy have the record for most penalties in a season yet?

[mnmracer]

After an astonishing three penalties in one race weekend at Spa, Pastor Maldonado this week equalled Lewis Hamilton's record for most driver penalties in one season.

With 7 driver penalties, not including penalties due to mechanical misfortune, Lewis Hamilton already broke his own 2008-record of 5 driver penalties last year. In 2011, already Pastor Maldonado was a close contender for the record, but with now his 7th driver penalty in twelve races the Columbian has already equalled the record, and has eight races left to go to make the record his own, albeit surely this is not how he had imagined how he would be remembered.

Lewis Hamilton's record number of driving penalties in 2011

1. Hamilton's first penalty of the season was a 20-second post race penalty at the Malaysian Grand Prix, for weaving when he was being overtaken by Alonso.
2. At the Monaco Grand Prix, his only qualifying time in Q3 was deleted for cutting the chicane, demoting him from 7th to 9th on the grid.
3. At the Monaco Grand Prix, he was given a drive-through penalty for 'causing an avoidable incident' after colliding with Felipe Massa.
4. At the Monaco Grand Prix, he was given a 20-second post race penalty for 'causing an avoidable incident' after colliding with Pastor Maldonado.
5. At the Hungarian Grand Prix, he was given a drive-through penalty for 'forcing another driver off the track' after spinning his car in front of Paul di Resta.
6. At the Singapore Grand Prix, he was given a drive-through penalty for 'causing an avoidable incident' after colliding' with Felipe Massa.
7. At the Indian Grand Prix, he was given a 3-place grid penalty for 'ignoring yellow flags' during the first free practice.

Pastor Maldonado's driving penalties in 2012

1. At the Monaco Grand Prix, he received a 10-place grid penalty for 'causing an avoidable incident' with Sergio Pérez in Free Practice 3.
2. At the European Grand Prix, he received a 20-second penalty for 'causing an avoidable incident' with Lewis Hamilton in the final laps of the race.
3. At the British Grand Prix, he received a €10,000 fine and a reprimand for 'causing an avoidable incident' with Sergio Pérez in the race.
4. At the Hungarian Grand Prix, he received a drive-through penalty for <em>'causing an avoidable incident'</em> with Paul di Resta in the race.
5. At the Belgian Grand Prix, he received a 3-place grid penalty for impeding Nico Hülkenberg during the Q1 qualifying sessions.
6. At the Belgian Grand Prix, he received a 5-place grid penalty for the Italian Grand Prix for his jump start.
7. At the Belgian Grand Prix, he received a 5-place grid penalty for the Italian Grand Prix for 'causing an avoidable incident' with Timo Glock.

[darwin dali]

Lol only Maldonado can get two penalties in one race

1994 British GP:

Hill and Schumacher stayed together, separated by two seconds until on lap 14, where Schumacher was given a five-second time penalty for passing Hill on the parade lap. However, the team refused to accept the decision and appealed the process. Schumacher was then give a 5 second stop go penalty for passing on the parade lap and for the team agruing the penalty. The team told him to ignore this as they were appealing the decision. Schumacher stayed out beyond the three laps required to adhere to the penalty, which was imposed. Schumacher was then shown the black flag meaning he was excluded from the race and from that point would have to return to the pits and retire. However Benetton continued to negotiate and appeal the decision. Schumacher did return to the pits on lap 26, but only for the 5 second stop-go penalty now served and re-joining the race in third behind Burger and Hill.

On lap 33, Berger went out with an engine failure. Hill won with Schumacher second, but Schumacher was disqualified for ignoring the black flag and was banned for two races. Thus meaning Schumacher was punished 4 times for one offence, which in the grand scheme of things could be considered harsh for such an insignificant offence. (A side point to this is that this regulation was banned for the following year and that Mika Häkkinen did the same thing without punishment.)

[LewEngBridewell]

After an astonishing three penalties in one race weekend at Spa, Pastor Maldonado this week equalled Lewis Hamilton's record for most driver penalties in one season.

At the rate he was going, it was only a matter of when rather than if.

[Revvenge]

While I don't think a crash here or there is a bad thing. Young drivers are simply prone to have occasional crashes, some more than others, and sometimes will take out others doing it, I do feel Maldonado has been in too many incidents and does not respect his fellow drivers.

Maldonado hasn't scored a single point since his win in Barcelona, while his car is more than capable to score points. Most of those races he didn't score in, he scored zero because he crashed out, usually by running his car into someone else rather than just a wall or a gravel trap. He refuses to admit he did something wrong, even after having had days to cool off and reconsider his actions. He has even used his car to drive into other drivers on purpose when he was mad at them on two occasions (one of the McLaren drivers, I believe Hamilton, at last year's Belgian Grand Prix' qualifying and Sergio Perez during third practice and Monaco this year). Causing collisions like that on purpose shows a clear disregard for other drivers and the dangers of the sport. When Schumacher drove into Villeneuve in 1997 he lost all his points for that year, had to do a safe driving campaign over the winter and there were talks to ban him for the first 3 races of 1998. While that was also because of the unsportmanlike behaviour regarding the championship title, I do feel the plain disregard for the dangers of crashing should be penalized by more than a 10 place grid penalty. A penalty, I might add, that clearly isn't working on him, seeing the number of times he's lost grid or race positions due to penalties he received for crashes with no change in his behaviour. Even in Spa he got a grid penalty for blocking during qualifying and retired with a broken wing that seems to have broken by running into a Marussia in the La Source. If anyone deserves a suspension, it's Maldonado.

[Bladesman]

While I don't think a crash here or there is a bad thing. Young drivers are simply prone to have occasional crashes, some more than others, and sometimes will take out others doing it, I do feel Maldonado has been in too many incidents and does not respect his fellow drivers.

Maldonado hasn't scored a single point since his win in Barcelona, while his car is more than capable to score points. Most of those races he didn't score in, he scored zero because he crashed out, usually by running his car into someone else rather than just a wall or a gravel trap. He refuses to admit he did something wrong, even after having had days to cool off and reconsider his actions. He has even used his car to drive into other drivers on purpose when he was mad at them on two occasions (one of the McLaren drivers, I believe Hamilton, at last year's Belgian Grand Prix' qualifying and Sergio Perez during third practice and Monaco this year). Causing collisions like that on purpose shows a clear disregard for other drivers and the dangers of the sport. When Schumacher drove into Villeneuve in 1997 he lost all his points for that year, had to do a safe driving campaign over the winter and there were talks to ban him for the first 3 races of 1998. While that was also because of the unsportmanlike behaviour regarding the championship title, I do feel the plain disregard for the dangers of crashing should be penalized by more than a 10 place grid penalty. A penalty, I might add, that clearly isn't working on him, seeing the number of times he's lost grid or race positions due to penalties he received for crashes with no change in his behaviour. Even in Spa he got a grid penalty for blocking during qualifying and retired with a broken wing that seems to have broken by running into a Marussia in the La Source. If anyone deserves a suspension, it's Maldonado.

There is something sinister about Pastor especially when you look at his almost revenge like shunts in practice and qualifying sessions. In fact he is the only driver I have seen crash into someone else when not racing.

If he continues to be allowed to race I guarantee someone will get badly hurt.

[stonemonkey]

In fact he is the only driver I have seen crash into someone else when not racing.

This wasn't even the formation lap.
[youtube]zGja5Hvu8i4[/youtube]

But yeah, deliberately aiming for someone when you're not even racing takes a special kind of thinking.

[Revvenge]

In fact he is the only driver I have seen crash into someone else when not racing.

This wasn't even the formation lap.
[youtube]zGja5Hvu8i4[/youtube]

But yeah, deliberately aiming for someone when you're not even racing takes a special kind of thinking.

In Shanghai wasn't on purpose though ^^

[stonemonkey]

In fact he is the only driver I have seen crash into someone else when not racing.

This wasn't even the formation lap.
[youtube]zGja5Hvu8i4[/youtube]

But yeah, deliberately aiming for someone when you're not even racing takes a special kind of thinking.

In Shanghai wasn't on purpose though ^^

I know, that's why I imply that Maldonado possesses a special kind of thinking.