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[Hammer278]

The TV market is insane. The one I'm using now was one I was eyeing for just 3-4 weeks but didn't buy it at first. When it first came out, it cost about USD1200...in 3 weeks it dropped down to USD900 and the store guy who's a friend informed me that the model would go obsolete in 1 week, so snap it up! And I did....and true enough, a week later it wasn't on display anymore. This is Harvey Norman BTW.

Right now the market price of this TV is around USD300. It's an LCD...so not only did the LED kill it, the 3D TVs massacred the 'obsolete' LCD models.

[geetface9]

The TV market is insane. The one I'm using now was one I was eyeing for just 3-4 weeks but didn't buy it at first. When it first came out, it cost about USD1200...in 3 weeks it dropped down to USD900 and the store guy who's a friend informed me that the model would go obsolete in 1 week, so snap it up! And I did....and true enough, a week later it wasn't on display anymore. This is Harvey Norman BTW.

Right now the market price of this TV is around USD300. It's an LCD...so not only did the LED kill it, the 3D TVs massacred the 'obsolete' LCD models.

Indeed. This is why I never bother buying anything technological when it first comes out cuz I know in a year it'll be 25% of the cost

[What's Burning?]

The rule for electronics is; if you can touch it, it's already obsolete.

[stonemonkey]

Not the most appropriate thread but I wanted to post something I came across. This not only shows how much inroads LG and Samsung have made into the television panel arena, but how much of a decline Sony has had in the market that they used to own.

In any case, good new ahead if you're going to be upgrading your set in a year or two.

BRG: Rival Japanese television makers Sony and Panasonic will reportedly announce a new partnership next week to mass produce OLED televisions, according to Reuters. The two companies hope to develop technology that will enable them to make OLED TVs more affordable — current models cost thousands of dollars. OLED panel technology, which Sony pioneered in 2007, provides users with improved picture quality as well as deeper color saturation with high contrast, and it allows vendors to make TVs as slim as 4 millimeters that consume less power than traditional LCD sets. In recent years, the Japanese television industry has lost ground due to increased competition from South Korean rivals LG and Samsung, however by combining their research and development resources, Sony and Panasonic are hoping to regain lost market share.

I've not been impressed with Sony TVs, there's often a sort of graininess to the picture. That and my dad insists on watching movies with motionflow on

[geetface9]

what is motionflow?

[stonemonkey]

what is motionflow?

The thing that creates/interpolates frames in between the frames of the video feed so it displays at a higher frame rate, good for sports and documentaries but makes movies look like a cheap soap production.

[geetface9]

what is motionflow?

The thing that creates/interpolates frames in between the frames of the video feed so it displays at a higher frame rate, good for sports and documentaries but makes movies look like a cheap soap production.

ah k thanks for explaining! I know what you mean. I was wondering why movies these days are starting to look like that on more expensive hd TVs

[stonemonkey]

what is motionflow?

The thing that creates/interpolates frames in between the frames of the video feed so it displays at a higher frame rate, good for sports and documentaries but makes movies look like a cheap soap production.

ah k thanks for explaining! I know what you mean. I was wondering why movies these days are starting to look like that on more expensive hd TVs

To take it further, movies are filmed and shown in the cinema at around 24fps but on DVD movies are usually 25fps so play slightly faster than they're meant to and lose some of the cinamatic feel. A lot of TVs now are capable of displaying at 24fps along with blu ray players to specifically keep that feeling, motionflow takes it all away.

My samsung TV can't display 24fps so when watching blu ray movies the PS3 plays at 24fps, there's a slight judder that's noticable in shots like where the camera's panning.

[What's Burning?]

the whole future of that may change... The Hobbit is filming at 48fps

[geetface9]

24 fps sounds slow because I game on my pc frequently and anything lower than 30 fps just sucks

[stonemonkey]

the whole future of that may change... The Hobbit is filming at 48fps

Yep, it's a multiple of the 24 and for 3D is supposed to be easier on the eyes but it could suffer from the soap effect too.

[stonemonkey]

24 fps sounds slow because I game on my pc frequently and anything lower than 30 fps just sucks

Could be a few reasons for that, if it's running that slow then there's the chance that it's not a totally steady frame rate which really sucks. Also if it's taking 1/30th of a second to draw the frame then you're seeing the scene as it was at least 1/30th of a second late. That's another issue with the TVs, with all the processing that's done by the TV it can take time for the image to get on to the screen so a lot have some sort of game mode to reduce that.

Movies play at a rock steady frame rate and you're not having to control or react to what's going on on the screen and it's the strobing effect of the lower frame rate that's part of the cinematic feel.

[Jabberwocky]

any fast moving 3D objects look pants. If the frame rate increases you get less of a strobe effect as the display swaps between eyes.

[stonemonkey]

I was a bit off with the strobing, that was from old projectors. They got rid of that by increasing the number of times each frame is projected, I think with a 24fps 3D movie each eye sees each frame 3 times. Each eye sees an image flashed on the screen at 72fps but the image still only updates at 24fps. That means the projector is putting out 144fps, I'm not sure if that means the lord of the rings movie will need projectors at 288fps, maybe each frame'll only be shown twice instead.