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[f1ea]

Lewis WAS favourite when Ron was there and when Heikki was driving. But that also didnt mean he got better stuff... just slight favouritism.

But now, he's been demoted to the role of equal driver... and so the fans call for favouritism.
Practice what you preach fellas

[racechick]

So you are agreed that favouritism happens at McLaren!! RESULT!!

[darwin dali]

Yes, and in order to disprove the null hypothesis (which says there is NO conspiracy or favoritism), racechick will have to come up with evidence to the contrary, i.e., evidence for favoritism. Once that evidence has been widely accepted as correct and true evidence, then the null hypothesis can be safely dismissed.

Thats easy then Just have to prove favouritism. Easy peasy, its obvious. Ive already given loads of evidence but I'll gather together a propr case (rubs hands together in glee)

some questions that you should strive to answer with your case:

- Is Whitmarsh's alleged "favoritism" of Jenson strong enough to sacrifice WCC points? In a business with millions and millions of dollars/pounds on the line, do you really think the CEO of the group would let petty favoritism get in the way of profit?

- If not, then who f'ing cares?

- If so, why are Ron Dennis (Chairman and majority owner of the group, and strong supporter of Lewis) and the other owners letting him do it?

- If so, why isn't Lewis (or his manager, family, etc) up in arms about this? Why is no one actually close to Lewis and McLaren shouting conspiracy?

because everyone knows Jenson was on the grassy knoll

How very American of you

[darwin dali]

Lewis WAS favourite when Ron was there and when Heikki was driving. But that also didnt mean he got better stuff... just slight favouritism.

But now, he's been demoted to the role of equal driver... and so the fans call for favouritism.
Practice what you preach fellas

A bit harsh

[Jabberwocky]

Yes, and in order to disprove the null hypothesis (which says there is NO conspiracy or favoritism), racechick will have to come up with evidence to the contrary, i.e., evidence for favoritism. Once that evidence has been widely accepted as correct and true evidence, then the null hypothesis can be safely dismissed.

Thats easy then Just have to prove favouritism. Easy peasy, its obvious. Ive already given loads of evidence but I'll gather together a propr case (rubs hands together in glee)

some questions that you should strive to answer with your case:

- Is Whitmarsh's alleged "favoritism" of Jenson strong enough to sacrifice WCC points? In a business with millions and millions of dollars/pounds on the line, do you really think the CEO of the group would let petty favoritism get in the way of profit?

- If not, then who f'ing cares?

- If so, why are Ron Dennis (Chairman and majority owner of the group, and strong supporter of Lewis) and the other owners letting him do it?

- If so, why isn't Lewis (or his manager, family, etc) up in arms about this? Why is no one actually close to Lewis and McLaren shouting conspiracy?

because everyone knows Jenson was on the grassy knoll

How very American of you

A bit harsh

[darwin dali]

Yes, and in order to disprove the null hypothesis (which says there is NO conspiracy or favoritism), racechick will have to come up with evidence to the contrary, i.e., evidence for favoritism. Once that evidence has been widely accepted as correct and true evidence, then the null hypothesis can be safely dismissed.

Thats easy then Just have to prove favouritism. Easy peasy, its obvious. Ive already given loads of evidence but I'll gather together a propr case (rubs hands together in glee)

some questions that you should strive to answer with your case:

- Is Whitmarsh's alleged "favoritism" of Jenson strong enough to sacrifice WCC points? In a business with millions and millions of dollars/pounds on the line, do you really think the CEO of the group would let petty favoritism get in the way of profit?

- If not, then who f'ing cares?

- If so, why are Ron Dennis (Chairman and majority owner of the group, and strong supporter of Lewis) and the other owners letting him do it?

- If so, why isn't Lewis (or his manager, family, etc) up in arms about this? Why is no one actually close to Lewis and McLaren shouting conspiracy?

because everyone knows Jenson was on the grassy knoll

How very American of you

A bit harsh

Coming from a Swiss, it's not that bad, ain't that the truth?

[acosmichippo]

Answers to some of the other questions you asked

[i][i]- Is Whitmarsh's alleged "favoritism" of Jenson strong enough to sacrifice WCC points? In a business with millions and millions of dollars/pounds on the line, do you really think the CEO of the group would let petty favoritism get in the way of profit?[/i][/i] No, I think the sacrificing of points is not part of the game plan. Its a case of either driver A or driver B being put in a better position to get more points. So long as the points come Mclaren's way preferably by the favoured driver, thats all good. (Of course this can go wrong and having given favoured driver the best strategy he then crashes-so its a calculated risk. And the more times it goes wrong the riskier it gets as more and more less loonie people start to ask questions)

- If not, then who f'ing cares? Not sure what you mean by this question? Do you mean who cares if one driver gets favoured?


[u]- If so, why are Ron Dennis (Chairman and majority owner of the group, and strong supporter of Lewis) and the other owners letting him do it? [/u] Now this is a good question!! Im always pleased when Ron is in the garage because I think the favouritising will be curtailed. But Im not sure it is. Maybe Ron just cant put his finger on why these things keep happenning to Lewis. I shouldnt think he was too happy with Bahrain though! I dont know, this one's a mystery. I'll keep digging on this.


- If so, why isn't Lewis (or his manager, family, etc) up in arms about this? Why is no one actually close to Lewis and McLaren shouting conspiracy?
Because its not a conspiracy. Lewis has said things,and gets in trouble when he does. He also looks unhappy and angry(this will be when he knows its happened). His dad has only just started coming back in the garage, I dont think he and Whitmarsh get on(ripping up of Lewis' contract saga) and his dad is no longer his manager. Nevertheless he did say if you remember, last year, that McLaren should be giving Lewis more support. Lewis should never have got rid of his dad!! Management... well the Simon Fuller bit I imagine will be managing contract negotiations and advertisng contracts/marketing and the new one (who use to manage Mika) well he's new, probably still gathering evidence.

See this is my main problem with this whole thing. You act as if the people directly involved are completely oblivious to "facts" that only a select few diehard fans on the internet are privy to.

[f1ea]

So you are agreed that favouritism happens at McLaren!! RESULT!!

I agree that EQUAL is impossible. But reasonably equal is totally possible, and its the most common approach... until something more important comes forward, and then the team people make decisions, normally towards the interests of the team (in whichever form it may come). It's their decisions to make... so to each their own. Scissors beat paper... it doesnt matter if paper is nice.

In the case of Mclaren, they are "reasonably" equal. Even though Ron always expressed his favouritism towards some drivers it didnt go too far... during the Whitmarsh era, things are a bit more equal; Whitmarsh has a position to defend and is very pragmatic in his approach... Perhaps its in his nature to be pragmatic; but he aint no team owner, so we can't say for sure.

To say right now that Mclaren are favouring either driver is pretty blind. Because truly... they have absolutely no reason to. If this case was true (ie the conspiracy theories were real)... people should get fired.

[bud]

McLaren out of the big 3 are the only ones who do treat their drivers equally! I think the Lewis brigade see this and think theyre favouring Jenson because Lewis isn't the focal point like in the Heikki years.

[racechick]

So what are you saying Bud? They didnt use to treat the guys equally but now they do?
Its a moot point anyway, because the team principal can treat the drivers however he likes (within reason of course, he cant spank their bottom...... ....no I wont go there today) Team orders are allowed, so if Whitmarsh wants to favour jenson theres nothing anyone can do about it. It still annoys the pants off me though.

[bud]

Don't you twist words to suit your agenda In 2009 it's well documented Lewis got to use the new parts at race weekends ahead of Heikki as the team were flying out new components as soon as they left production. Most of the time they only had the one as they were developing massively to real in performance for the 24 which was a dog at the start of the season.
Lewis was reigning champion and higher in the standings than Heikki so he got the parts. Now that McLaren have two world champions they would not follow this path now as neither driver would be too happy about it. Now you can see this equality as favouring Jenson because youre so used to Lewis being the main attraction then fine what ever tickles your fancy.

I think the fact this thread was created is a joke and insulting.

[racechick]

Well firstly Im not twisting anything, you said lewis was favoured over Heikki but Jenson isnt favoured over Lewis.

On the upgrades, I believe the same rules apply, if only one part is ready it goes to the guy leading in the points. Now if it were mysteriously given to the guy NOT leading in the points, thats would be cause for concern.

The thread was created to keep all talk of conspiracies and favouritism at Mclaren out of the other threads. Why do you think it a joke and an insult? It would be a joke and an insult if people were not allowed to question things..free speech and all that?? And the topic is not exactly revolutionary-favoured drivers in F1. You, know if we all accepted everything we were told we'd still be back in the dark ages.

[bud]

The fact you and other Lewis brigaders think that there is a conspiracy is the joke.

[racechick]

I dont think there's a conspiracy.

[LRW]