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By McLaren Fan
#28980
From autosport.com:

Technical analysis of the McLaren MP4-23

By Craig Scarborough Tuesday, January 8th 2008, 10:13 GMT

Detail of the McLaren MP4-23McLaren had a stronger year in 2007 than their results suggest. Despite losing both championships, one on and one off the track, the 2007 MP4-22 outscored the Ferrari F2007 over the course of the season.

McLaren's MP4/22 was a car a leap ahead of their 2006 machine and their challenge for this year is to make a further step to beat Ferrari outright on pace at any circuit.

As with Ferrari, understanding their deficiencies was the first job along with the work to meet the new rules for 2008.

Speaking to autosport.com, Engineering Director Paddy Lowe explained that the aim, "to build on the areas we are confident will give us a definite performance."

The resulting car is quite a step from the one that preceded it: the changes are mainly in the layout, aero detail and the structural changes to accommodate them.

Lowe explained the changes to lengthen, saying the team "added a trim around the rear axle, its geared around weight distribution."

This move was widely anticipated after the Bridgestone tyre supply in 2007 demanded a forward weight bias.

The more visible changes are around the top surfaces of the bodywork. The engine cover is significantly slimmed - this starts as far back as the roll hoop, which is deeply undercut, requiring supports for the forward half. Then the vertical part of the cover is wafer thin, with the fins to meet the toblerone section rules even more pronounced than in 2007 and even more so in comparison to Ferrari.

Detail of the McLaren MP4-23The engine cover and gearbox fairing are slimmer to improve flow over the top of the diffuser, while the new cockpit padding is similar to Ferrari's interpretation of the 2008 rules.

If the rear bodywork is innovative, then the front of the car is equally a departure for McLaren, moving away from their distinctive low nose for a more conventional shape, which leads back to new bargeboards. Those no longer form an extension of the keel as has been used since 2002 - the simpler angled vanes hang from struts below the front wishbone mounts.

Meanwhile the rear boards feature more integrated flip-ups at their trailing edge. Also the fronts of the sidepods continue the integrated theme, with the pod wing forming the lower edge of the cooling inlet and the upper portion of the inlet being slightly behind, effectively splitting the pod wings into one upper and one lower device.

Cooling and exhaust outlets are similar to the MP4-22 albeit the exhausts are slightly closer to the centre of the car, due to the slimmer coke bottle shape.

Mechanically the car features an all-new gearbox, but like Caesar's sword, it features new versions of the old concepts. The quick shift gear cluster, raced since 2005, is updated with a lot of detail design work to ensure it lasts four races.

Surrounding the gears is a longer version of their usual carbon fibre cased gearbox. The rear suspension has been slightly revised, however the method of out rigging the wishbones to gain the correct geometry for the upper wishbone is still retained.

As the single ECU (SECU) is being supplied by McLaren electronics (MES), many people assume that McLaren have a head start on the integration of the unit. However, MES are a separate company and although McLaren have used a version of the same ECU hardware, the new solution is more involved than just this.

Lowe was happy to point that they do have some advantage with the unit, as they already have packaged the unusual triangular device into their car, thus the position, cooling and loom are already tailored to a suit the unit.

While this is a job saved for the team, the greater work was learning the new MES software and revising their control code to remove the traction, launch and braking control systems. Thus the lion's share of the job is still required by the electronics department and not a major advantage for the team.
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By Martin
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Thats right boys, hide your faces of shame.


Perhaps its Ferrari or Renault boys in disguise trying to get a peek to see how its done!
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By McLaren Fan
#28993
Todt, Mosley and Eccelestone in disguise: the unholy trinity.
By mooker
#29005
Not illegal!!?? Are you joking me!?

So why did the FIA ban it...oh what don't tell me. :roll:


Barge boards? Flexi wings? Flexi floors? Mass dampeners? There's a few things the FIA have deemed legal then later banned after other teams complained. Can't think of any instances where there were points deducted for something that was legal first then banned, but the flexi floor was never deemed legal and yet no points came off. I'll bet you're still proud of all the Ferrari wins with questionable technology.



Actually this thread is about the MP4 23 not the spy saga if you want to talk about that then go back to the hundreds of threads that already exist and talk s*** there!

Its 2008 move on


Seems that most threads on here stoop down to the hypocritical level now the Tifosi have a story to distract from their usual dubious dealings.
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By texasmr2
#29007
Barge boards? Flexi wings? Flexi floors? Mass dampeners? There's a few things the FIA have deemed legal then later banned after other teams complained. Can't think of any instances where there were points deducted for something that was legal first then banned, but the flexi floor was never deemed legal and yet no points came off.

You were on the right track for a moment mooker then it all went to crap. The 'flexi floor' was never deemed legal because it had not been done before and then once it appeared, because Ferrari is alway's on the cutting edge of tech, the other team's cried about it thus it was banned.

I'll bet you're still proud of all the Ferrari wins with questionable technology.
Exactly WHAT 'questionable technology' are you referring too?

Seems that most threads on here stoop down to the hypocritical level now the Tifosi have a story to distract from their usual dubious dealings.

You cant be serious?? :lol:
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By piledriver
#29011
I hope it is a fast car. I'm looking forward to the battles with Ferrari and maybe BMW-Sauber.
By mooker
#29012
You were on the right track for a moment mooker then it all went to crap. The 'flexi floor' was never deemed legal because it had not been done before and then once it appeared, because Ferrari is alway's on the cutting edge of tech, the other team's cried about it thus it was banned.


Sorry, bad sentance structuring makes for a confusing read. Always seems obvious when I'm typing. Flexi floors passed initial scruitineering and were allowed for the first race last year, hence my claim that they were legal at first.


Exactly WHAT 'questionable technology' are you referring too?


The barge boards from a few years ago, the flexi wings in 2006, and the floors last year. I agree its cutting edge stuff that hasn't been done before, but some things are closer to rule breaking than others. I think the dual brake pedal set-up was a dubious ban as it was classed as four-wheel-steering. Although the Michellin tyres that changed dimensions once up to operating temps were a little blatant IMO (didn't Ross Brawn go crying to Max about that one and thus had them banned?). I'm not saying any team are innocent, it just seems that some are quick to point finers and forget the errors their fav teams have made in the past.


You cant be serious?? :lol:


Me? Nope, never. I have an inability to take things too seriously, it has adverse effects on my health :D
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By McLaren Fan
#29015
I think the dual brake pedal set-up was a dubious ban as it was classed as four-wheel-steering.

The semantics of the FIA rules allowed it. It was only banned when - guess who - Ferrari started making overtures about it.
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By texasmr2
#29021
Dualing bango's :lol: .
By mooker
#29026
Heh, I'm not going on any camping trips with you and Irv :wink:
By mooker
#29028
I just wish someone would ban Ferrari's fugly wheel things. They look awful with fake wheels painted on. The ruin the look on an otherwise gorgeous car.
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By texasmr2
#29029
Heh, I'm not going on any camping trips with you and Irv :wink:

Oh man why I gotta be all that! :lol::wink: Let me go OT for a second just to continue the fun ok?
There was a joke I heard many many year's ago and it went alittle something like this:

1st camper ask another one "Hey if we went camping and you woke up the next morning and you b-hole hurt, would you tell anyone"?

2nd camper say's "Heck no"!

1st camper then replie's "So you wanna go camping this weekend"? :lol::oops:
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By texasmr2
#29031
I just wish someone would ban Ferrari's fugly wheel things. They look awful with fake wheels painted on. The ruin the look on an otherwise gorgeous car.

You do know they serve a very specific purpose right? :wink:
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By Jabberwocky
#29034
it they are that good why isn't everyone one else using them? I am sure that they have all tried a version of them on their own cars
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By Irv the Swerve
#29038
Toyota have them on their cars, hmm its not the reason that their crap is it? :P
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