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[Pandaman]

If any of you guys are interested, my italian GP photo's are up and can be viewed here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielfong ... 698129172/

[What's Burning?]

If any of you guys are interested, my italian GP photo's are up and can be viewed here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielfong ... 698129172/

Good job on the pictures... the ones where you're looking down the pits and it's a very ultra wide angle, is that a 10mm focal lenght lens or were you using one of the wide angle zooms?

[Pandaman]

If any of you guys are interested, my italian GP photo's are up and can be viewed here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielfong ... 698129172/

Good job on the pictures... the ones where you're looking down the pits and it's a very ultra wide angle, is that a 10mm focal lenght lens or were you using one of the wide angle zooms?

Those were taken with a 10-17mm Tokina Fish Eye lens (at 10mm to be precise). First time I took it with me and I find it to be a very handy and an extremely useful lens.

[andrew]

Thanks for sharing Pandaman.

[LewEngBridewell]

What amazing pictures! They were fantastic to look at! Brilliant work

[racechick]

Not sure if this twitter has been posted before-Derek Daly, Monza steward admitting they got it wrong
http://twitter.com/#!/DerekDaly500/stat ... 5507606528

Ah shucks! Never mind. Better luck next time. You only screwed up Lewis' race. Now next time you can be really stringent and over zealous, to show you really do have muscle and actually do know the rules. Now I wonder which driver they'll chose to excercise that line of thinking on? I'll have to go think about that.

[bud]

Maybe Martin was in cohorts with them?

[andrew]

Not sure if this twitter has been posted before-Derek Daly, Monza steward admitting they got it wrong
http://twitter.com/#!/DerekDaly500/stat ... 5507606528

Ah shucks! Never mind. Better luck next time. You only screwed up Lewis' race. Now next time you can be really stringent and over zealous, to show you really do have muscle and actually do know the rules. Now I wonder which driver they'll chose to excercise that line of thinking on? I'll have to go think about that.

Old news, it was reported last week only no one really cared . If he thought this then he should have advised on a penalty at the time. No point wittering on a week later - what's done is done. However, this smacks of a has-been trying to get their name in the papers or maybe I'm just too cynical. I actually think it's a good thing that Schumacher wasn't given a penalty as it sets a precident where others can cite Monza and we may get some good racing.

Whiting giving a warning first was a smart move as the stewards have seemed to have jumped in feet first in the past and given drive throughs which maybe shouldn't have been given, though we do often only see one side of the story. I hope this is something that is repeated or maybe it already goes on and only we just heard about it now as people love to hate Schumacher.

As for his race being screwed up, the only person that screwed up Hamilton's race is Hamilton for being too timid or he couldn't be bothered to pass and asking for a short 7th. Ultimately, I think this is something that would be a drivers decision albeit with input from engineers.

[racechick]

Not sure if this twitter has been posted before-Derek Daly, Monza steward admitting they got it wrong
http://twitter.com/#!/DerekDaly500/stat ... 5507606528

Ah shucks! Never mind. Better luck next time. You only screwed up Lewis' race. Now next time you can be really stringent and over zealous, to show you really do have muscle and actually do know the rules. Now I wonder which driver they'll chose to excercise that line of thinking on? I'll have to go think about that.

Old news, it was reported last week only no one really cared . If he thought this then he should have advised on a penalty at the time. No point wittering on a week later - what's done is done. However, this smacks of a has-been trying to get their name in the papers or maybe I'm just too cynical. I actually think it's a good thing that Schumacher wasn't given a penalty as it sets a precident where others can cite Monza and we may get some good racing.

Whiting giving a warning first was a smart move as the stewards have seemed to have jumped in feet first in the past and given drive throughs which maybe shouldn't have been given, though we do often only see one side of the story. I hope this is something that is repeated or maybe it already goes on and only we just heard about it now as people love to hate Schumacher.

As for his race being screwed up, the only person that screwed up Hamilton's race is Hamilton for being too timid or he couldn't be bothered to pass and asking for a short 7th. Ultimately, I think this is something that would be a drivers decision albeit with input from engineers.

I know its old news, which is why i prefaced it with 'dont know if uve seen this already'; interesting nonetheless to read how inept the race stewards are.

Regardless of whether you love or hate Schumacher, this is not his fault.
You think its a good thing Schumacher didnt get a penalty?? So what the FIA have rules and its fine for the stewards to decide when and to whom they apply them? Thats not really conducive to fair racing is it. There already was a precedent early in the year when hamilton was penalised for much less than Schumacher did at Monza. You cant have this both ways.
Id rather the rule was revised to allow more racing but as it stands it should be fairly applied, not on an ad hoc or even worse basis.
were the rules applie fairly and Schumacher penalised by a drive through he would not have had such an impact on Hamiltpns race...so it did spoil it.
As to Leiw being timid, how long ago was it that you were on the 'dangerous, aggressive driver' bandwagon?

[bud]

Its not about being timid on Hamilton's part, its not about the gearing either, Had Vettel been stuck behind Schumi he too would have had the same problem and look where the gearing got him.... The real issue is about Lewis getting blocked illegally. He could have easily have ended up making contact and no doubt EVERY same old same old would been having a go at Hamilton for causing a crash. End of the day Schumacher making multiple moves is not right, hasn't been right for a while but the resulting stewards lack of action is troubling.

[Hammer278]

Not sure if this twitter has been posted before-Derek Daly, Monza steward admitting they got it wrong
http://twitter.com/#!/DerekDaly500/stat ... 5507606528

Ah shucks! Never mind. Better luck next time. You only screwed up Lewis' race. Now next time you can be really stringent and over zealous, to show you really do have muscle and actually do know the rules. Now I wonder which driver they'll chose to excercise that line of thinking on? I'll have to go think about that.

Old news, it was reported last week only no one really cared . If he thought this then he should have advised on a penalty at the time. No point wittering on a week later - what's done is done. However, this smacks of a has-been trying to get their name in the papers or maybe I'm just too cynical. I actually think it's a good thing that Schumacher wasn't given a penalty as it sets a precident where others can cite Monza and we may get some good racing.

Whiting giving a warning first was a smart move as the stewards have seemed to have jumped in feet first in the past and given drive throughs which maybe shouldn't have been given, though we do often only see one side of the story. I hope this is something that is repeated or maybe it already goes on and only we just heard about it now as people love to hate Schumacher.

As for his race being screwed up, the only person that screwed up Hamilton's race is Hamilton for being too timid or he couldn't be bothered to pass and asking for a short 7th. Ultimately, I think this is something that would be a drivers decision albeit with input from engineers.

This is the thing, you often think your opinion represents everyone. Wake up pal. Many people do care, I saw blogs and other sites with people blasting the stewards, so you could quit it with these kiddy comments.

I also like how you call Lewis 'timid' now, and its Lewis' fault for not being able to get past....jeez isn't that rich. IF they had made contact, who's name pops up in your head first?? YEAP even though it didn't happen, it would be Hamilton...you know it i know it.

[andrew]

This is the thing, you often think your opinion represents everyone. Wake up pal. Many people do care, I saw blogs and other sites with people blasting the stewards, so you could quit it with these kiddy comments.

Well that's the biggest load of BS I've read on here for a while. My comments represent me and me only. If others want to agree, fine, if they don't, fine.

Why is it a kiddy comment if I disagree with what you believe? As far as I am aware, you are not the Lord Almighty so I can choose to agree or disagree with you. I too have seen plenty of comments on forums moaning about the stewards decision, I have also seen plenty supporting the stewarding decision.

I also like how you call Lewis 'timid' now, and its Lewis' fault for not being able to get past....jeez isn't that rich. IF they had made contact, who's name pops up in your head first?? YEAP even though it didn't happen, it would be Hamilton...you know it i know it.

Both drivers would be mentioned. Both are liked and hated in equal proportion and attract more than their fair share of abuse. Please don't tell me what I know and what I don't know. You don't speak for everyone either.

[Hammer278]

This is the thing, you often think your opinion represents everyone. Wake up pal. Many people do care, I saw blogs and other sites with people blasting the stewards, so you could quit it with these kiddy comments.

Well that's the biggest load of BS I've read on here for a while. My comments represent me and me only. If others want to agree, fine, if they don't, fine.

Why is it a kiddy comment if I disagree with what you believe? As far as I am aware, you are not the Lord Almighty so I can choose to agree or disagree with you. I too have seen plenty of comments on forums moaning about the stewards decision, I have also seen plenty supporting the stewarding decision.

I also like how you call Lewis 'timid' now, and its Lewis' fault for not being able to get past....jeez isn't that rich. IF they had made contact, who's name pops up in your head first?? YEAP even though it didn't happen, it would be Hamilton...you know it i know it.

Both drivers would be mentioned. Both are liked and hated in equal proportion and attract more than their fair share of abuse. Please don't tell me what I know and what I don't know. You don't speak for everyone either.

Yeah well I respect your ability to turn chameleon so well, I'm just not used to it. I've not encountered so much contradiction from just 1 members posts so....pardon me.

[FRAFPDD]

Gotta say andrew i too didnt agree (suprise suprise, being a Lewis fan lolol) with the timid, to hamilton chose his 7th gear bit of your post,

For me its clear as crystal what screwed Lewis' race was a characteristically cheating Schumacher, but i accept thats how Schumi rolls.

He also gave no fight at all to Jenson which to me really made me quite mad, because Lewis wasnt like trying to slice Schumachers wheels in frustration, and still Schumi felt the need to further antagonise after all that holding up by just letting Jenson pass. That werent on.


On second note......time for the abandon snail???????

[LewEngBridewell]

On second note......time for the abandon snail???????

Sooty did the job quite nicely once too