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[bud]

Hope the Red Bull domination ends next year though, please god let it end next year, more then half my time watching F1 since 2007 has been red bull domination now, time to end.

Problem is they will be strong until the next big reg changes. 2013 with new engines should shuffle the field a bit but what's really needed is drastic aero changes like we saw end of 08.

[scotty]

drastic aero changes like we saw end of 08.

2014 mate. On paper not massive changes, but in practice changing the front wing and nose like this is going to totally alter the aero profile of the car, arguably to the point of almost completely resetting what will be required aerodynamically.

[F1er]

I'd say for sure next year will be horrible for Mclaren with the loss of EBD,which seems where they get all their DF from. I see a strong Ferrari and everybody still chasing Newey

Yes it ain't Vettel or Red Bull.......................It's all the Aero Genius.

[bud]

drastic aero changes like we saw end of 08.

2014 mate. On paper not massive changes, but in practice changing the front wing and nose like this is going to totally alter the aero profile of the car, arguably to the point of almost completely resetting what will be required aerodynamically.

Newey should have that covered, maybe Vettel can beat Schumi's 7

[vlad]

Get a grip, will you? He won in Torro Rosso! Enough!

Your arguments are so weak and lazy.Almost joke like.

And you are sooo frustrated...

[andrew]

The aero reg's are sadly not going to change a whole lot for 2014. The intention was to return the cars to being much more reliable on mechanical grip and maybe even the return of ground effect but as usual the team changed their mind on the aero. I reckon the cars will look pretty much the same as they do now, only with smaller engines. That's the last I heard anyway.

[scotty]

The aero reg's are sadly not going to change a whole lot for 2014. The intention was to return the cars to being much more reliable on mechanical grip and maybe even the return of ground effect but as usual the team changed their mind on the aero. I reckon the cars will look pretty much the same as they do now, only with smaller engines. That's the last I heard anyway.

I haven't heard that the teams changed their minds on the aero changes myself. Here's a mock of what a 2014 car might look like:



Key changes:
- front wing isn't as wide
- nose is lower
- rear wing shallower

As i said on the face of it that doesn't seem much, but as the aero is all linked and these changes are at the front, then the entire airflow over the car will be managed differently (add in the new engines and how they'll have to be packaged on top of that!). I can go into more depth as to exactly why if need be but yeah, it's a substantial enough rule change to potentially mix things up a bit.

[bud]

Looks a bit better with the smaller front wings. Its not a massive change like it was 08 to 09 but its probably enough to shuffle the top order a bit, but not enough for someone to pull a Brawn and Redbull.


If turbo charged won't the cars revert to not needing the air intake above the drivers head? They previously had the air intakes on the side pods close to the turbo chargers to speed up the spooling.

[Hammer278]

That mock up reminds me a lot of the Ferraris in the late 90's. Bring it on I say...that was a sweet era in racing!

[FRAFPDD]

This is all just speculation, surely any rule changes however minor that involve changing wings and engien sizes, its going to totally level the playing field once again for everyone to make the best car?


Mclaren have got close enough this year that next year with red bulls limited development theyll be even closer. Then Newey can also make a dud car.

Ill be damned if this goes on for another year, Look at it this way, 8 years from 2000 to now has been one or another cars domination, its stupid, some equal racing would be nice bernie, pbut he wont pull the strings cause hes the biggest vettel fanboy ever!

[bud]

looking past the Ferrari years where a couple came close Schumi beating Kimi by 1 point one year. Its not really been one team dominating for too long, and even during the seasons its been a fight for the title which is what fans want to see.

05 we had McLaren and Renault both very fast and a good fight, not really one dominant team
06 we had Renault again against Ferrari who got their way and performance back with the return of the tyre change
07 Ferrari and McLaren were trading blows from various tracks suiting each other. Close fight
08 Ferrari and McLaren again, similar story to 07
09 Started off with Brawn caught up by Redbull and McLaren too little too late.
10 Redbull had a somewhat dominant car which was not taken to full advantage, season went to the wire but the driver and team that probably deserved it most won in the end.
11 well we know this story.

[racechick]

I thought the stable regulations would help the other teams to catch up with red bull rathger than vice versa. Red Bull (Adrian Newey) stole a march on the other teams by exploiting the regs and being more innovative. Other teams are now carching on and cartching up. Red Bull have less to gain because they already started further down the road. So I think next year should see them closre together. Just a thought.

[FRAFPDD]

Its not that its Red Bull, i can honestly say 1 or two years of Hamilton domination would be an absolute treat, but anymore and id always be concerned that his titles are going to be like scumis in terms of people thinking he didnt really earn them, the car did.

Itd be bloody nice to see Vettel racing in say place of Massa in an 07 Ferrari, just some equal top team racing, but the matter of FACT is, and it really is, he has NEVER won, in a car that wasnt the best of that weekend.

And some of us though the Vettel fans would like to label us fanboys/haters/idiots, ironically enough, some of us would like to reserve judgement on vettel until we see him in that situation, thats why id rather his car wasnt crap, that it was just nicely sitting around the top teams ready for a title fight, because apparently hes the biggest talent in F1 now, and ive yet to see that backed up.

I also think hed be EXACTLY like Lewis Hamilton if he was in this years Mclaren, trying too hard to make up deficiencies in the car.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Every season, the design of the car becomes more heavily regulated and more tightly constrained. The 2.4-litre V-8 was the first engine ever that FIA dictated the number of cylinders or the bank angle or the maximum revs. That should have been the straw that broke the camel's back, but the teams accepted it. The 6-cyl turbo will be even worse because the TR will specify all those same points (except not certain yet about the bank angle), plus a spec fuel management system that will be designed to make all the engines produce equal power.

So count on more artificial overtaking-inducing gizmos like DRS and CURSE and disintegrating tyres. I don't know why they just don't put a craps table in the paddock and let Charlie Whiting roll the bones once every lap to decide which car they'll remotely ground out one of the sparking plugs on.

I'm still praying Murdoch/Slim/Agnelli/FOTA will buy F1 from CVC. Bernie never needed to govern F1, he just weaseled his way into the job incrementally with claims he needed to control this aspect or that aspect in order to optimize the sport's commercial value. But F1 have spent the last 20 years trading on past glories. Ultimately, it's commercial value derives from spectator interest and F1's bleeding edge reputation always was one of the points that drew the most interest. It cannot maintain its present level of commercial success as a spec racing series. Giving control back to the teams would restore some measure of sanity to the regulations and push the sport back from the brink of "spec-ness."

[scotty]

Giving control back to the teams would restore some measure of sanity to the regulations and push the sport back from the brink of "spec-ness."

Irrelevant, as at the front the teams are capable of and always will absolutely maximise performance from any given regulation these days and so the cars would end similar anyway. Any innovation would just be copied after a race or two, as we saw with the double diffuser, and as we saw with the f-duct (to give a mere two examples).

I thought the stable regulations would help the other teams to catch up with red bull rathger than vice versa. Red Bull (Adrian Newey) stole a march on the other teams by exploiting the regs and being more innovative. Other teams are now carching on and cartching up. Red Bull have less to gain because they already started further down the road. So I think next year should see them closre together. Just a thought.

I agree to a large extent (hence why i mentioned the rule changes above). I think Ferrari and McLaren are the only two teams to have the sheer 'engineering brute force' required to overhaul Red Bull though, currently anyway.