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[myownalias]

Webber's problem was he went to Williams when they were going south very quickly. had he been in a car like Red Bull then, he might have had a better shot at the title.

Last season was good, and he showed glimpses of speed and ability to beat Vettel, but at the end of the day, he blew it. he didnt qualify quicker then his rivals in the final race. How many world champions have had to rise to the mental challenge when they needed to???

Don't forget Mark also fractured his shoulder in a non-F1 related incident before the Japanese GP so competed in the final few GP with an injury, it's hard to drive an F1 car 100% with a fractured shoulder! It's Mark's own fault, why take part in things that can cause possible injury during the run in to a possible championship winning season!

[andrew]

Webber's problem was he went to Williams when they were going south very quickly. had he been in a car like Red Bull then, he might have had a better shot at the title.

Last season was good, and he showed glimpses of speed and ability to beat Vettel, but at the end of the day, he blew it. he didnt qualify quicker then his rivals in the final race. How many world champions have had to rise to the mental challenge when they needed to???

Don't forget Mark also fractured his shoulder in a non-F1 related incident before the Japanese GP so competed in the final few GP with an injury, it's hard to drive an F1 car 100% with a fractured shoulder! It's Mark's own fault, why take part in things that can cause possible injury during the run in to a possible championship winning season!

He's not the first driver to race with an injury and he won't be the last. Webber's gammy leg and sore shoulder were cliches by the end of last season.

[myownalias]

Webber's problem was he went to Williams when they were going south very quickly. had he been in a car like Red Bull then, he might have had a better shot at the title.

Last season was good, and he showed glimpses of speed and ability to beat Vettel, but at the end of the day, he blew it. he didnt qualify quicker then his rivals in the final race. How many world champions have had to rise to the mental challenge when they needed to???

Don't forget Mark also fractured his shoulder in a non-F1 related incident before the Japanese GP so competed in the final few GP with an injury, it's hard to drive an F1 car 100% with a fractured shoulder! It's Mark's own fault, why take part in things that can cause possible injury during the run in to a possible championship winning season!

He's not the first driver to race with an injury and he won't be the last. Webber's gammy leg and sore shoulder were cliches by the end of last season.

I'm not suggesting that he is the first driver to race with an injury but it must have affected his performances near the end of the season, either through being drugged up or driving through pain!

[bud]

Hearing an armchair fan belittle bone fractures and injuries while driving an F1 car at speed. Let's see you do it then you can call it a cliche ok

[andrew]

Hearing an armchair fan belittle bone fractures and injuries while driving an F1 car at speed. Let's see you do it then you can call it a cliche ok

I'm not belittling anything. Yet again Bud is taking what I say out of context.

I think far too much was made of Webber's injury, not by Webber - he hardly mentioned it if at all unless asked, but by pundits and armcahir experts and after a few races it sounded like an excuse as to why he was being beaten at times by Vettel.

[Forti_Corse]

redbull is a youth inspired brand, they want the team to be youth inspired its mainly ran by aryan blood....not to make redbull sound like nazis but.......