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[FRAFPDD]

You are soooo wrong...

If you can provide a substantial argument to suggest otherwise then we can discuss it, happily.


Cant just say im wrong and leave it at that. Thats not how it works.

The fact im willing to debate it AND with fact displays i can be reasonable, so what ya got?

Dude, he drove without KERS functioning normally for the most part of the race, he pulled a magnificent third stint to match Hamilton's strategy, making that tyres last! He defended his leading position for 15 laps or so, without fully operational KERS and without DRS, that Hamilton was able to use. After his first stop he passed Button, Massa and Rosberg, on his out lap, quite a drive!!!

how vettel drove and won
today was probably his best win,
and did a bundle for his
image in terns of overtaking etc.

but ill have to see more of it and from a car/ teamate that is a challenge to him.


the usual talk was said about hamilton and hes only recently got rid of it, vettels in a farn"worse" situation to show what he can,
or indeed cant do, his car is too good to make sound comparisojs with alonso and hamilton.


thats why i said enjoy whilst it lasts, my personal view id that hed be putty in the hands of some other drivers, and ONLY, ONLY time will tell, im gonna have to taje it on the chin till then.

[darwin dali]

Man, I actually feel bad for Alonso. What a start! When you get a McLaren fan rooting for a Ferrari, you know there's something right going on. Unfortunately he was let down by his car. Sad.

The Ferrari just isn't fast enough at the moment. But, if Alonso isn't fast enough to win or get on the podium, at least Alonso put on a good show for the fans.

I know what you mean but being lapped is not a good show. I imagine that there were quite a few disappointed fans leaving Barcelona. On today's evidence Ferrari are heading backwards towards the midfield but I think this was just a blip. The Ferrari's did not cope well with the primes, and they need to sort that out pronto, but they've been near the front at other venues.

Monaco will be a different story.

i dont think that ferrari are that bad, or webber or jenson, but vettel and hamilton from the second stint onwards were just absoulutely on fire...

And that with SV's KERS misfiring most of the time...
Once the KERS is sorted for good, there's no way the McLarens will be as close anymore.

You're probably right DD. Basically I could nearly win this years WDC in the RB7

Which makes Nando's start and first 2 stints all the more brilliant and Lewis's race just as astounding.

Au contraire: FA's start was massively helped by KERS, so nothing special compared to SV.
And LH's race in the last 10 laps was hugely helped by the DRS, which was not available to SV, so together with not having KERS on SV's car, it's actually pretty pathetic that LH could not pass SV and makes SV's performance even more remarkable.

No Im with Spanky on this one. Much as Alonso isnt my favourite, his start was amazing. he went past 3 cars and two of them did have KERS . Vettel only passed one.

And at the end Lewis wasnt 'hugely' helped by DRS. DRS was of little help in this race as the commentators kept asying long before the final stint of the race. To call Leiws drive 'pretty pathetic' is...well words` fail me. especially when yo look at the downforcde the RB has in fast coners.

DRS helped a lot when you compare the rate of passing today and in previous years on this track.
I didn't mean LH's drive was pathetic - he was doing fine. What was pathetic is that McLaren with all their upgrades couldn't come up with a car that was at least capable to pass Red Bull with DRS and KERS (when RB didn't have either available). LH drove the heck out of that car - unfortunately for him, SV was on his best game as well.

[FRAFPDD]

Au contraire: FA's start was massively helped by KERS, so nothing special compared to SV.
And LH's race in the last 10 laps was hugely helped by the DRS, which was not available to SV, so together with not having KERS on SV's car, it's actually pretty pathetic that LH could not pass SV and makes SV's performance even more remarkable.

Mate
to
call lewis pathetic when he doesnt manage an overtake in spain on a friggin red bull, when hes ancountry mile ahead of anyone in overtaking is clutching at straws a bit.

[McLaren]

Man, I actually feel bad for Alonso. What a start! When you get a McLaren fan rooting for a Ferrari, you know there's something right going on. Unfortunately he was let down by his car. Sad.

The Ferrari just isn't fast enough at the moment. But, if Alonso isn't fast enough to win or get on the podium, at least Alonso put on a good show for the fans.

I know what you mean but being lapped is not a good show. I imagine that there were quite a few disappointed fans leaving Barcelona. On today's evidence Ferrari are heading backwards towards the midfield but I think this was just a blip. The Ferrari's did not cope well with the primes, and they need to sort that out pronto, but they've been near the front at other venues.

Monaco will be a different story.

i dont think that ferrari are that bad, or webber or jenson, but vettel and hamilton from the second stint onwards were just absoulutely on fire...

And that with SV's KERS misfiring most of the time...
Once the KERS is sorted for good, there's no way the McLarens will be as close anymore.

You're probably right DD. Basically I could nearly win this years WDC in the RB7

Which makes Nando's start and first 2 stints all the more brilliant and Lewis's race just as astounding.

Au contraire: FA's start was massively helped by KERS, so nothing special compared to SV.
And LH's race in the last 10 laps was hugely helped by the DRS, which was not available to SV, so together with not having KERS on SV's car, it's actually pretty pathetic that LH could not pass SV and makes SV's performance even more remarkable.

No Im with Spanky on this one. Much as Alonso isnt my favourite, his start was amazing. he went past 3 cars and two of them did have KERS . Vettel only passed one.

And at the end Lewis wasnt 'hugely' helped by DRS. DRS was of little help in this race as the commentators kept asying long before the final stint of the race. To call Leiws drive 'pretty pathetic' is...well words` fail me. especially when yo look at the downforcde the RB has in fast coners.

DRS helped a lot when you compare the rate of passing today and in previous years on this track.
I didn't mean LH's drive was pathetic - he was doing fine. What was pathetic is that McLaren with all their upgrades couldn't come up with a car that was at least capable to pass Red Bull with DRS and KERS (when RB didn't have either available). LH drove the heck out of that car - unfortunately for him, SV was on his best game as well.

Well if McLaren are pathetic for not being able to make a car to pass a red bull,what does that make the rest of the teams

[darwin dali]

Man, I actually feel bad for Alonso. What a start! When you get a McLaren fan rooting for a Ferrari, you know there's something right going on. Unfortunately he was let down by his car. Sad.

The Ferrari just isn't fast enough at the moment. But, if Alonso isn't fast enough to win or get on the podium, at least Alonso put on a good show for the fans.

I know what you mean but being lapped is not a good show. I imagine that there were quite a few disappointed fans leaving Barcelona. On today's evidence Ferrari are heading backwards towards the midfield but I think this was just a blip. The Ferrari's did not cope well with the primes, and they need to sort that out pronto, but they've been near the front at other venues.

Monaco will be a different story.

i dont think that ferrari are that bad, or webber or jenson, but vettel and hamilton from the second stint onwards were just absoulutely on fire...

And that with SV's KERS misfiring most of the time...
Once the KERS is sorted for good, there's no way the McLarens will be as close anymore.

You're probably right DD. Basically I could nearly win this years WDC in the RB7

Which makes Nando's start and first 2 stints all the more brilliant and Lewis's race just as astounding.

Au contraire: FA's start was massively helped by KERS, so nothing special compared to SV.
And LH's race in the last 10 laps was hugely helped by the DRS, which was not available to SV, so together with not having KERS on SV's car, it's actually pretty pathetic that LH could not pass SV and makes SV's performance even more remarkable.

No Im with Spanky on this one. Much as Alonso isnt my favourite, his start was amazing. he went past 3 cars and two of them did have KERS . Vettel only passed one.

And at the end Lewis wasnt 'hugely' helped by DRS. DRS was of little help in this race as the commentators kept asying long before the final stint of the race. To call Leiws drive 'pretty pathetic' is...well words` fail me. especially when yo look at the downforcde the RB has in fast coners.

DRS helped a lot when you compare the rate of passing today and in previous years on this track.
I didn't mean LH's drive was pathetic - he was doing fine. What was pathetic is that McLaren with all their upgrades couldn't come up with a car that was at least capable to pass Red Bull with DRS and KERS (when RB didn't have either available). LH drove the heck out of that car - unfortunately for him, SV was on his best game as well.

Well if McLaren are pathetic for not being able to make a car to pass a red bull,what does that make the rest of the teams

Dismal?

[bud]

Once the KERS is sorted for good, there's no way the McLarens will be as close anymore.

KERS or no KERS, the pace of the McLaren's was evident. And one could say once McLaren's downforce is sorted.... each plays on their strengths eh

DRS helped a lot when you compare the rate of passing today and in previous years on this track.
I didn't mean LH's drive was pathetic - he was doing fine. What was pathetic is that McLaren with all their upgrades couldn't come up with a car that was at least capable to pass Red Bull with DRS and KERS (when RB didn't have either available). LH drove the heck out of that car - unfortunately for him, SV was on his best game as well.

Hang on, pathetic? what the? Were you watching how much speed Vettel was carrying in the last corner? That is where the DRS failed for Lewis, Vettels corner speed was superior so by the time Lewis was close to him, it was too late for a passing move. Turn 1 here is not a good place to overtake at the best of times because its a fast corner, DRS needs to be on a hard braking slow corner to give the driver behind a better opportunity of diving inside under brakes.

oh and Vettel used KERS stop acting like he used it once or twice!

[Juliet P]

You're probably right DD. Basically I could nearly win this years WDC in the RB7

Which makes Nando's start and first 2 stints all the more brilliant and Lewis's race just as astounding.

Au contraire: FA's start was massively helped by KERS, so nothing special compared to SV.
And LH's race in the last 10 laps was hugely helped by the DRS, which was not available to SV, so together with not having KERS on SV's car, it's actually pretty pathetic that LH could not pass SV and makes SV's performance even more remarkable.

That doesn't make logical sense, DD. As others have pointed out, DRS was not a significant factor in helping people to pass. And Vettel did have DRS on a few laps when he was in traffic. And Vettel did have KERS in the final stint.

[bud]

DD just hates Lewis and McLaren, can never please

[racechick]

Man, I actually feel bad for Alonso. What a start! When you get a McLaren fan rooting for a Ferrari, you know there's something right going on. Unfortunately he was let down by his car. Sad.

The Ferrari just isn't fast enough at the moment. But, if Alonso isn't fast enough to win or get on the podium, at least Alonso put on a good show for the fans.

I know what you mean but being lapped is not a good show. I imagine that there were quite a few disappointed fans leaving Barcelona. On today's evidence Ferrari are heading backwards towards the midfield but I think this was just a blip. The Ferrari's did not cope well with the primes, and they need to sort that out pronto, but they've been near the front at other venues.

Monaco will be a different story.

i dont think that ferrari are that bad, or webber or jenson, but vettel and hamilton from the second stint onwards were just absoulutely on fire...

And that with SV's KERS misfiring most of the time...
Once the KERS is sorted for good, there's no way the McLarens will be as close anymore.

You're probably right DD. Basically I could nearly win this years WDC in the RB7

Which makes Nando's start and first 2 stints all the more brilliant and Lewis's race just as astounding.

Au contraire: FA's start was massively helped by KERS, so nothing special compared to SV.
And LH's race in the last 10 laps was hugely helped by the DRS, which was not available to SV, so together with not having KERS on SV's car, it's actually pretty pathetic that LH could not pass SV and makes SV's performance even more remarkable.

No Im with Spanky on this one. Much as Alonso isnt my favourite, his start was amazing. he went past 3 cars and two of them did have KERS . Vettel only passed one.

And at the end Lewis wasnt 'hugely' helped by DRS. DRS was of little help in this race as the commentators kept asying long before the final stint of the race. To call Leiws drive 'pretty pathetic' is...well words` fail me. especially when yo look at the downforcde the RB has in fast coners.

DRS helped a lot when you compare the rate of passing today and in previous years on this track.
I didn't mean LH's drive was pathetic - he was doing fine. What was pathetic is that McLaren with all their upgrades couldn't come up with a car that was at least capable to pass Red Bull with DRS and KERS (when RB didn't have either available). LH drove the heck out of that car - unfortunately for him, SV was on his best game as well.

Ok I understand what you mean by pathetic but dont agree. The McLaren have made inroads. The fact that Red Bull hasnt got a successful KERS is just as 'pathetic'. That is the fault of Red Bull just as much as Mclaren's lack of downforce in the fast corners is a fault with theirs. You cant say Vettel/RB did well becuase he/they fought without KERS unless you say Hamilton/mclaren did well because he/they fought without the downforce.

Yes Spain for once had ovetaking which was good but down more to tyres than DRS.
Yes Vettel was on his game. I was impressed today.

[smokin]

I think that Alonso's bullet start contributed hugely to making this a race and not another Red Bull procession. By preventing the Bulls from streaking away at the front and dictating the pace and strategy the McLarens were able to stay with Vettel and Webber right through the race. It must have been heartbreaking to see all that good work benefit others because of the Ferrari's dismal performance on primes.

The Pirellis have brought some excitement back into the mix with the huge gap in pace between compounds but this was just awful. Get your act together Ferrari!

[darwin dali]

Man, I actually feel bad for Alonso. What a start! When you get a McLaren fan rooting for a Ferrari, you know there's something right going on. Unfortunately he was let down by his car. Sad.

The Ferrari just isn't fast enough at the moment. But, if Alonso isn't fast enough to win or get on the podium, at least Alonso put on a good show for the fans.

I know what you mean but being lapped is not a good show. I imagine that there were quite a few disappointed fans leaving Barcelona. On today's evidence Ferrari are heading backwards towards the midfield but I think this was just a blip. The Ferrari's did not cope well with the primes, and they need to sort that out pronto, but they've been near the front at other venues.

Monaco will be a different story.

i dont think that ferrari are that bad, or webber or jenson, but vettel and hamilton from the second stint onwards were just absoulutely on fire...

And that with SV's KERS misfiring most of the time...
Once the KERS is sorted for good, there's no way the McLarens will be as close anymore.

You're probably right DD. Basically I could nearly win this years WDC in the RB7

Which makes Nando's start and first 2 stints all the more brilliant and Lewis's race just as astounding.

Au contraire: FA's start was massively helped by KERS, so nothing special compared to SV.
And LH's race in the last 10 laps was hugely helped by the DRS, which was not available to SV, so together with not having KERS on SV's car, it's actually pretty pathetic that LH could not pass SV and makes SV's performance even more remarkable.

No Im with Spanky on this one. Much as Alonso isnt my favourite, his start was amazing. he went past 3 cars and two of them did have KERS . Vettel only passed one.

And at the end Lewis wasnt 'hugely' helped by DRS. DRS was of little help in this race as the commentators kept asying long before the final stint of the race. To call Leiws drive 'pretty pathetic' is...well words` fail me. especially when yo look at the downforcde the RB has in fast coners.

DRS helped a lot when you compare the rate of passing today and in previous years on this track.
I didn't mean LH's drive was pathetic - he was doing fine. What was pathetic is that McLaren with all their upgrades couldn't come up with a car that was at least capable to pass Red Bull with DRS and KERS (when RB didn't have either available). LH drove the heck out of that car - unfortunately for him, SV was on his best game as well.

Ok I understand what you mean by pathetic but dont agree. The McLaren have made inroads. The fact that Red Bull hasnt got a successful KERS is just as 'pathetic'. That is the fault of Red Bull just as much as Mclaren's lack of downforce in the fast corners is a fault with theirs. You cant say Vettel/RB did well becuase he/they fought without KERS unless you say Hamilton/mclaren did well because he/they fought without the downforce.

Yes Spain for once had ovetaking which was good but down more to tyres than DRS.
Yes Vettel was on his game. I was impressed today.

I did say LH drove the heck out of that car, he did fine.
Yes, RB are pathetic with their KERS, absofuckinglutely pathetic

[racechick]

I did say LH drove the heck out of that car, he did fine.
Yes, RB are pathetic with their KERS, absofuckinglutely pathetic

LOL LOL That did make me laugh!

[FRAFPDD]

Bingo to Smokin.


Im sure as the sky is blue that the only reason Hamilton had a chance was because of Alonso.



Theres just one single flaw, for half the grand prix Alonso wasnt in the lead, Vettel was, and Hamilton still caught him. When Vettels KERS was actually working though, they posted the same times. Dunno how to explain that one..... but im not going to get all giddy like i did today when i thought it was "certain" hamilton was going to catch and pass vettel, and pretend mclaren are as fast as red bull.

Im afraid even the fight for second place is done with mclaren now.


I think im just going to watch Kobayashi all year. Vettel has won this years title already.

[darwin dali]

Bingo to Smokin.


Im sure as the sky is blue that the only reason Hamilton had a chance was because of Alonso.



Theres just one single flaw, for half the grand prix Alonso wasnt in the lead, Vettel was, and Hamilton still caught him. When Vettels KERS was actually working though, they posted the same times. Dunno how to explain that one..... but im not going to get all giddy like i did today when i thought it was "certain" hamilton was going to catch and pass vettel, and pretend mclaren are as fast as red bull.

Im afraid even the fight for second place is done with mclaren now.


I think im just going to watch Kobayashi all year. Vettel has won this years title already.

[bud]

5 races and the season is over? This is F1 anything can happen, and it usually does.