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By Martin
#24452
Now that we have had a full season, do we think that a single tyre supplier is a good thing? or would it be better if there were 2 or even 3 suppliers, just to throw another decision into the equation for the teams.?
Coopers seem to do OK in A1GP dont they?
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By 8-ball
#24453
i think so far so good but I am always for adding another element to formula 1 to make it more competitive.
By toothe
#24454
was always fun to see some teams on 1 tyre benefit over others at certain races. made the races harder to predict. although it all got 1 sided. would be good for another company to come in and give all teams the choice of each tyre per race. so each team has a choice of say bridgestone and Pirelli, but on a per race, so 1 race they could choose pirelli and other bridgestone. that way might see mcalren choosing a tyre that gives more grip and ferrari choosing a tyre that last longer.

maybe i talking crap
;)
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By Martin
#24457
was always fun to see some teams on 1 tyre benefit over others at certain races. made the races harder to predict. although it all got 1 sided. would be good for another company to come in and give all teams the choice of each tyre per race. so each team has a choice of say bridgestone and Pirelli, but on a per race, so 1 race they could choose pirelli and other bridgestone. that way might see mcalren choosing a tyre that gives more grip and ferrari choosing a tyre that last longer.

maybe i talking crap
;)



The trouble with this is that the tyre companies would require a firm contract. It is after all a major commitment for them, and it is likely that, at some races at least, everyone would choose the same tyre. However, maybe a team could have a contract with a tyre supplier for 1 car and another contract with a different tyre co. for the other car - that might be interesting.
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By deMuRe
#24460
I like a single tyre supplier, it levels the playing field and stops certain teams forming "special" relationships with one particular supplier.

We want to see which teams build the best car and/or have the best driver, not who has the best tyre or who can bottom kiss a tyre supplier enough to have special tyres made just for them.
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By 8-ball
#24461
was always fun to see some teams on 1 tyre benefit over others at certain races. made the races harder to predict. although it all got 1 sided. would be good for another company to come in and give all teams the choice of each tyre per race. so each team has a choice of say bridgestone and Pirelli, but on a per race, so 1 race they could choose pirelli and other bridgestone. that way might see mcalren choosing a tyre that gives more grip and ferrari choosing a tyre that last longer.

maybe i talking crap
;)



The trouble with this is that the tyre companies would require a firm contract. It is after all a major commitment for them, and it is likely that, at some races at least, everyone would choose the same tyre. However, maybe a team could have a contract with a tyre supplier for 1 car and another contract with a different tyre co. for the other car - that might be interesting.


interesting but totally unfair and a whole lot more work for the engineers. It would mean that one set of the team garage would be battling with the other to get the best set up instead of working together.
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By Martin
#24464
was always fun to see some teams on 1 tyre benefit over others at certain races. made the races harder to predict. although it all got 1 sided. would be good for another company to come in and give all teams the choice of each tyre per race. so each team has a choice of say bridgestone and Pirelli, but on a per race, so 1 race they could choose pirelli and other bridgestone. that way might see mcalren choosing a tyre that gives more grip and ferrari choosing a tyre that last longer.

maybe i talking crap
;)



The trouble with this is that the tyre companies would require a firm contract. It is after all a major commitment for them, and it is likely that, at some races at least, everyone would choose the same tyre. However, maybe a team could have a contract with a tyre supplier for 1 car and another contract with a different tyre co. for the other car - that might be interesting.


interesting but totally unfair and a whole lot more work for the engineers. It would mean that one set of the team garage would be battling with the other to get the best set up instead of working together.


Fair point, but I dont think that the tyre cos. would ever agree to it anyway. But, if it did happen it is true that it may split the teams a bit, but they do compete now anyway dont they? and they would also gain a lot more data on how tyres are used by other teams, so it might help in the end. The constant comparison of different set ups might end up improving both cars? Its all hypothetical though really isn't it?
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By 8-ball
#24465
was always fun to see some teams on 1 tyre benefit over others at certain races. made the races harder to predict. although it all got 1 sided. would be good for another company to come in and give all teams the choice of each tyre per race. so each team has a choice of say bridgestone and Pirelli, but on a per race, so 1 race they could choose pirelli and other bridgestone. that way might see mcalren choosing a tyre that gives more grip and ferrari choosing a tyre that last longer.

maybe i talking crap
;)



The trouble with this is that the tyre companies would require a firm contract. It is after all a major commitment for them, and it is likely that, at some races at least, everyone would choose the same tyre. However, maybe a team could have a contract with a tyre supplier for 1 car and another contract with a different tyre co. for the other car - that might be interesting.


interesting but totally unfair and a whole lot more work for the engineers. It would mean that one set of the team garage would be battling with the other to get the best set up instead of working together.


Fair point, but I dont think that the tyre cos. would ever agree to it anyway. But, if it did happen it is true that it may split the teams a bit, but they do compete now anyway dont they? and they would also gain a lot more data on how tyres are used by other teams, so it might help in the end. The constant comparison of different set ups might end up improving both cars? Its all hypothetical though really isn't it?


they would get a lot more data but not it would not be much use on a track where say bridgestones are clearly better than a michelin. i think that 1 tyre supplier evens up the cars a bit and allows us to see who is the better driver on them
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By Martin
#24469
was always fun to see some teams on 1 tyre benefit over others at certain races. made the races harder to predict. although it all got 1 sided. would be good for another company to come in and give all teams the choice of each tyre per race. so each team has a choice of say bridgestone and Pirelli, but on a per race, so 1 race they could choose pirelli and other bridgestone. that way might see mcalren choosing a tyre that gives more grip and ferrari choosing a tyre that last longer.

maybe i talking crap
;)



The trouble with this is that the tyre companies would require a firm contract. It is after all a major commitment for them, and it is likely that, at some races at least, everyone would choose the same tyre. However, maybe a team could have a contract with a tyre supplier for 1 car and another contract with a different tyre co. for the other car - that might be interesting.


interesting but totally unfair and a whole lot more work for the engineers. It would mean that one set of the team garage would be battling with the other to get the best set up instead of working together.


Fair point, but I dont think that the tyre cos. would ever agree to it anyway. But, if it did happen it is true that it may split the teams a bit, but they do compete now anyway dont they? and they would also gain a lot more data on how tyres are used by other teams, so it might help in the end. The constant comparison of different set ups might end up improving both cars? Its all hypothetical though really isn't it?


they would get a lot more data but not it would not be much use on a track where say bridgestones are clearly better than a michelin. i think that 1 tyre supplier evens up the cars a bit and allows us to see who is the better driver on them


I understand where you are coming from 8B but a major difference between F1 and most other classes of motor racing, is that the cars are not 'even'. In other classes (including A1GP) it is really just a drivers competition with only a few choices for the team, but I see F1 as a team competition. not a drivers. It is interesting to compare drivers but it is the whole package from design, engine performance, Aero, chassis, trackside performance, strategys and tactics. There are so many variables that that ia what is so great about F! for me, and multiple tyre suppliers is just another variable in the pot.
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By f1ea
#24497
I think it wasn't too helpful for competition this year, because some teams were 'transitioning' but in the years to come it should be really interesting as it will take away the so called 'tyre dominance' on certain circuits...

It also probably hepls reduce costs... which will probably translate to less expensive GP tickets and/or F1-licensed merchandise. Ha ha dream on.
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By McLaren Fan
#24523
Look at Ferrari a few years ago. They were the only top team on Bridgestones which can only have disadvantaged them. There is no doubt having extra variables in the sport is exciting but sometimes you want to be able to gauge people's speed and see how is the fastest.
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By Martin
#24582
Look at Ferrari a few years ago. They were the only top team on Bridgestones which can only have disadvantaged them. There is no doubt having extra variables in the sport is exciting but sometimes you want to be able to gauge people's speed and see how is the fastest.


I like to see the fastest package - driver , engine, etc etc including tyres.

We all know that even now, with a single tyre, the packages are not equal, Kimi would not have won if he had been in a Honda and so on.
Ferrari were quick on B/stone, sometimes, maybe some Mich. teams would have been even quicker on B/stone. All of the chassis are different. Tyres are just another variable.

In F1 its the team that wins or loses a race, not just the driver.
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By 8-ball
#24588
I understand where you are coming from 8B but a major difference between F1 and most other classes of motor racing, is that the cars are not 'even'. In other classes (including A1GP) it is really just a drivers competition with only a few choices for the team, but I see F1 as a team competition. not a drivers. It is interesting to compare drivers but it is the whole package from design, engine performance, Aero, chassis, trackside performance, strategys and tactics. There are so many variables that that ia what is so great about F! for me, and multiple tyre suppliers is just another variable in the pot.


i know but i'd but it has to be kept at a level where a driver isn't winning races because his car has more gadgets on it that assist his driving. I say one tyre supplier is a good thing but we should also allow teams to try to out-develop each other with engines, aerodynamics etc
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By Martin
#24592
I understand where you are coming from 8B but a major difference between F1 and most other classes of motor racing, is that the cars are not 'even'. In other classes (including A1GP) it is really just a drivers competition with only a few choices for the team, but I see F1 as a team competition. not a drivers. It is interesting to compare drivers but it is the whole package from design, engine performance, Aero, chassis, trackside performance, strategys and tactics. There are so many variables that that ia what is so great about F! for me, and multiple tyre suppliers is just another variable in the pot.


i know but i'd but it has to be kept at a level where a driver isn't winning races because his car has more gadgets on it that assist his driving. I say one tyre supplier is a good thing but we should also allow teams to try to out-develop each other with engines, aerodynamics etc


In many ways the tyre is the most important part of the car. Everything else works through it, and engines, transmission, aero etc can only work well if the tyre allows it to. All the more reason, I think for allowing choice here. Ferrari is a good example, they made the B/stone work where other teams struggled with it.
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By 8-ball
#24593
I understand where you are coming from 8B but a major difference between F1 and most other classes of motor racing, is that the cars are not 'even'. In other classes (including A1GP) it is really just a drivers competition with only a few choices for the team, but I see F1 as a team competition. not a drivers. It is interesting to compare drivers but it is the whole package from design, engine performance, Aero, chassis, trackside performance, strategys and tactics. There are so many variables that that ia what is so great about F! for me, and multiple tyre suppliers is just another variable in the pot.


i know but i'd but it has to be kept at a level where a driver isn't winning races because his car has more gadgets on it that assist his driving. I say one tyre supplier is a good thing but we should also allow teams to try to out-develop each other with engines, aerodynamics etc


In many ways the tyre is the most important part of the car. Everything else works through it, and engines, transmission, aero etc can only work well if the tyre allows it to. All the more reason, I think for allowing choice here. Ferrari is a good example, they made the B/stone work where other teams struggled with it.


but do you want a situation where one set of tyres suit a particular track making getting near the front a lot easier compared to a driver on another set of tyres? I was all for choice but seeing how well that last season went with one tyre supplier i think f1 should stick to it. It makes the race more competitive

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