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Hammer278 wrote:More like the school teacher came running onto the field and separated the muddy toddlers from further pounding each other into the ground.Come on man, I'm trying to stay up beat and optimistic, plus the breeze feels good.
vaptin wrote:What's Burning? wrote:It feels cooler in here already... it's as if someone opened up a window and in came a cool breeze. Thank you forum moderators/therapists.They got to you man, you sell out.
You used to be cool. Proper cool that is, not what your calling cool now.
you say sell out, I say lobotomized. Like McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
f1ea wrote:It may be cool and calm here... but in Hungary they're still shooting fireballs.By George I think you've got it!
Behind the smoke and the forest fire though and the emotional questions... there were some interesting comments made by Horner, Domenicalli and Bouiller.
Still think what happened in Hockenheim was uglier than wrong. Fernando should have charged Massa even if there was the risk of a collision. Massa did it so obvious on purpose, and while making the charge may not have been the best for the team, at least they would have been able to keep playing the team order farce, like all other teams do...
In the end, people are going to use the rule as they want... still using it, while making it seem as if they are against it.
What's Burning? wrote:f1ea wrote:It may be cool and calm here... but in Hungary they're still shooting fireballs.By George I think you've got it!
Behind the smoke and the forest fire though and the emotional questions... there were some interesting comments made by Horner, Domenicalli and Bouiller.
Still think what happened in Hockenheim was uglier than wrong. Fernando should have charged Massa even if there was the risk of a collision. Massa did it so obvious on purpose, and while making the charge may not have been the best for the team, at least they would have been able to keep playing the team order farce, like all other teams do...
In the end, people are going to use the rule as they want... still using it, while making it seem as if they are against it.
racechick wrote:I think time of year and points difference is what rankles with me.Rankles? as in Rankling? Rankled? must be a Brit term because that sounds like something illegal or immoral in most of the "Bible Belt" states.
racechick wrote:He heWhat's Burning? wrote:By George I think you've got it!
I think time of year and points difference is what rankles with me.
What's Burning? wrote:It's an experimental engine. Like the Wankel but with a spring that continually winds you up.racechick wrote:I think time of year and points difference is what rankles with me.Rankles? as in Rankling? Rankled? must be a Brit term because that sounds like something illegal or immoral in most of the "Bible Belt" states.
smokin wrote:I thought that was what they called the rotary engines they put in those tiny little cars from Hethel.What's Burning? wrote:It's an experimental engine. Like the Wankel but with a spring that continually winds you up.racechick wrote:I think time of year and points difference is what rankles with me.Rankles? as in Rankling? Rankled? must be a Brit term because that sounds like something illegal or immoral in most of the "Bible Belt" states.
thephantom wrote:World Motor Sport Council = John Todt = (ex)Ferrari. I am not presently buying into arguments about whether team orders are OK in F1 because I can see merits in both sides of the issue. The simple fact is that Ferrari did the wrong thing given the existing rules and the matter has been referred to the World Motor Sport Council of which the President is John Todt. He was top dog at Ferrari when the blatant application of team orders in Austria 2002 caused such an outcry that the rules were changed. What an impossible position to be in. If he somehow seeks to separate himself from the WMSC considerations of this particular case then nothing less than his resignation prior to the hearing would satisfy a lot of people, myself included. If a penalty is imposed which is generally perceived to be too lenient then WMSC will fall into disrepute (.... and the President should resign ???). If a drastic penalty is imposed because Todt feels the need to bend over backwards to appear impartial - well that wouldn't be fair either. So the big issue for debate prior to WMSC hearing is what would be a fair penalty in this case?Some very good points here. And this is why Todt should never have been appointed to that position-too much vested interest.This situation , or one very similar, was inevitable. the job should have gone to Ari! Impartial.
My view is that both drivers should be stripped of the points which they obtained at Hockenheim and the team should get a hefty fine.
vaptin wrote:I read Todt had agreed to step aside for the hearing.Thats a step in the right directin if he has. But would he still advise?
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