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[thedukeuk]

I still think that fixing the results of a race should be a criminal offence it is in any other sport specialy ones where theres betting involved.
Imagine in the Olympics summer or winter if one of the competetors slowed up to let a team mate through so they could claim a medal.

[What's Burning?]

I still think that fixing the results of a race should be a criminal offence it is in any other sport specialy ones where theres betting involved.
Imagine in the Olympics summer or winter if one of the competetors slowed up to let a team mate through so they could claim a medal.

Shhh... Not the "best" analogy, do you know how many East German women Olympic weight lifting team members were in attendance today?

[RyRy]

I'm going to stay out of this and simply put...

Ferrari in the wrong, shouldn't of said that to him on radio, even if it was just to let Felipe make the decision it was still pressuring him into.

He deserved the win considering it was a year and a day from the day when he could of died..

Robbed us of a healthy battle between FA, FM and SV

[sarahf1]

At the end of the day we were deprived of a real race, Alonso complains at every opportunity he is just what this sport doesn't need. I am a Hamilton fan, but today of all days, a year to the day that Massa had a close call, he should have had the chance to race without interference from Ferrari politics, and after all isn't that we are watching A RACE!!!!??
The penalties for this action should be very severe a fine isn't really punishment they should be disqualified! They cheated all fans of a good race, more than that a fair race!!

[Spiralmagic]

i dont see how it is any differant to when hamilton lied to the stewards.........the whole ferrari team lied to the stewards....hamilton was dq from the race....ferrari get off with there pocket money being taken away....how is that fair and consistant? its not......

P.S...fernando alonso is an arroagant d*ckwad and if i was filipe massa, i would have twatted him round the face

[Serio27]

i dont see how it is any differant to when hamilton lied to the stewards.........the whole ferrari team lied to the stewards....hamilton was dq from the race....ferrari get off with there pocket money being taken away....how is that fair and consistant? its not......

P.S...fernando alonso is an arroagant d*ckwad and if i was filipe massa, i would have twatted him round the face

What race was that? I'm not saying it is not true... just don't remember.

Serio

[Frosty]

At first I was actually quite surprised that the Stewards had decided to find Ferrari guilty of articles 39.1 and Article 151c then I saw the penalty as $100,000 and at first thought 'WTF is that it?' surely if you decide to find them guilty a stronger penalty should be applied. Then I read that they had been sent to the WMSC and I thought this is actually a very clever decision by the stewards because this sort of punishment should be left for WMSC not the Stewards. I think the $100,000 fine is the maximum that the stewards can give out.
For all people raging about McLaren got $100 million fine and that they were disqualified from the championship and that sort of stuff remember that it was WMSC who decided that not the stewards.

[marlessco]

It's blatantly obvious that all the controversy is caused by Alonso. Everywhere he has been controversy follows and it hinders the sport. I want to see him chucked out in disgrace. I'm fed up with his conduct. He is a small man with a chip on his shoulder. He is in a privileged sport few can get into who have bigger and more interesting personalities and who can conduct themselves with true dignity. Please BAN him.

As far as Ferrari are concerned, we all can read between the lines, who do they think they are kidding.

[marlessco]

I think if the FIA are going to introduce rules they should be consistent with the punishments! to prove my point I have two questions (with answers)

What has Stefano Domenicali done today? - fixed a race to allow a particular driver to win!

What happened to Flavio Briatore for fixing a race? - banned for life by FIA. (although overturned later & different circumstances).

...and who is the common denominator of both incidents? Errrr.... Alonso?

[thedukeuk]

The Maclaren incent was Austrailia last year when hamilton let Truli through under the saftey car then maclaren said he didnt and they gave truli a penalty for passing under saftey car.
But Hamilton actually slowed and let him passed and maclaren twisted the truth and said they didnt
Basically they lied to the stewards got disquaalified Ron Dennis stepped back as a result and Ryan got sacked too not sure if they got fined or not.

I think they didnt actually lie the with held information and mislead the stewards
I think its probably worse for ferrari cause they have blatantly lied and tried to cover up.

Guess We'll have to wait and see what happens next .

[madbrad]

It's no worse than the dozens of other times that various teams have ordered someone to give way, in code, since the ban on team orders started. Ferrari had little reason to suspect they'd be the first to be called on it.

Alonso was definitely quicker, save for 3 or so laps, so I think Alonso would have eventually passed legitimately, and I think Massa would not have introduced undue risk to the fight. I wish they'd have let that happen. So did Massa make the "letting by" move look blatant on purpose, to get his boss in trouble? Seems like it, but then again he defended the team, or at least toed the party line, in the podium interview.

[hamilton08]

I think if the FIA are going to introduce rules they should be consistent with the punishments! to prove my point I have two questions (with answers)

What has Stefano Domenicali done today? - fixed a race to allow a particular driver to win!

What happened to Flavio Briatore for fixing a race? - banned for life by FIA. (although overturned later & different circumstances).

...and who is the common denominator of both incidents? Errrr.... Alonso?

yeah and Alonso was hugely involved with McLaren apparently having and using Ferrari data in 2007

That Alonso is 1 dirty driver and a winging baby always complaing about Hamilton

[What's Burning?]

It's no worse than the dozens of other times that various teams have ordered someone to give way, in code, since the ban on team orders started. Ferrari had little reason to suspect they'd be the first to be called on it.

Alonso was definitely quicker, save for 3 or so laps, so I think Alonso would have eventually passed legitimately, and I think Massa would not have introduced undue risk to the fight. I wish they'd have let that happen. So did Massa make the "letting by" move look blatant on purpose, to get his boss in trouble? Seems like it, but then again he defended the team, or at least toed the party line, in the podium interview.

He's not done toeing the the company line. He will say in the WMSC hearing that he let Alonso pass because Alonso was quicker than him and Ferrari is cleared of the charges on the sporting rules.

[darwin dali]

I don't know how the following will be viewed by the WMSC, mitigating or incriminating:
Smedley told FM earlier that he had to bring the gap to FA up to 3 seconds, so he needed to push with the implication it seems if he wasn't able to do that he would get told that FA was the faster driver. FM wasn't able to do so and hence, the radio message was sent that started the whole schlamassel.
FM as the good Ferrari soldier would say: I was informed that FA was the faster driver. In order to avoid a Red Bull outcome, *I* thought it better to let him by to secure a double podium for the team.
How the stewards or the WMSC could 'prove' that it was team orders and not FM's insight based on the info he was given, I'd really like to see. As long as FM sticks to that line, I can't see any further sanctions handed out to Ferrari.

[What's Burning?]

I don't know how the following will be viewed by the WMSC, mitigating or incriminating:
Smedley told FM earlier that he had to bring the gap to FA up to 3 seconds, so he needed to push with the implication it seems if he wasn't able to do that he would get told that FA was the faster driver. FM wasn't able to do so and hence, the radio message was sent that started the whole schlamassel.
FM as the good Ferrari soldier would say: I was informed that FA was the faster driver. In order to avoid a Red Bull outcome, *I* thought it better to let him by to secure a double podium for the team.
How the stewards or the WMSC could 'prove' that it was team orders and not FM's insight based on the info he was given, I'd really like to see. As long as FM sticks to that line, I can't see any further sanctions handed out to Ferrari.

FM has the power to at least clear Ferrari of it. Clear them of the implications, not the stink.

The argument though is... if Alonso was indeed the faster of the two drivers and Ferraris was worried about Vettle making a charge of it, wouldn't it make sense for them to keep Alonso behind, since he'd be much better able defend against Vettle than Massa? Ferrari would then be getting a 1-3 instead of a 1-2.

They'll get off by the rules if Massa plays the good Ferrari team member. He's got them say... by the 5 million dollar bonus for being a good team member balls.