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[Jamie]

Don't see how red bull had a massive advantage, they diddn't run away with it. Alonso and Massa closed the gap to Vettle just before his car problem.

Exactly. I find that Red-Bull were testing two different Formulas to see which was more successful, 1 got away but then failed due to the major pressure of the heat and also beating the car down. Webber's formula couldn't stand anything? So really they had a failure of 2 formulas. But i do have my doubts they can be just as successful this time round

[yamashek]

It should be understandable that the Renault unit has one of the best efficiency, and I believe it might be the tight packaging in the RB6 that is causing some of the reliability problems.

As it has been said, the RB6 had a problem with it's spark plug.

According to engine sound during the race, I see no strong evidence that supports what Ron has said.

As for the 2 formulae trial-and-error theory, I think it is one possibility that both failed.

But what if that spark plug didn't fail on Vettel's car?

Should the theory be true, I think the team will go with the formula that is on Vettel's car.

Go Liz!!

[MAD MAX]

Vettels car was certaining popping and farting. If you have the race on tape watch it again. At one point Christian Horner leaves his chair and goes and leans over the pit wall to listen to Vettels car as it passed on the pit straight

[Jamie]

It should be understandable that the Renault unit has one of the best efficiency, and I believe it might be the tight packaging in the RB6 that is causing some of the reliability problems.

As it has been said, the RB6 had a problem with it's spark plug.

According to engine sound during the race, I see no strong evidence that supports what Ron has said.

As for the 2 formulae trial-and-error theory, I think it is one possibility that both failed.

But what if that spark plug didn't fail on Vettel's car?

Should the theory be true, I think the team will go with the formula that is on Vettel's car.

Go Liz!!

I can believe the engine is much smaller. I personally think they have not had enough time to be able to do some hard core testing so what has happened is that Webber & Vettel have tested 2 different packages and in theory they have both failed for 2 different reasons!

Webber was far too slow

Vettel was too quick with a small engine and tight compact car. There fore ended up blowing up.

I do think Vettel could be in the race for the title if given the right package, but i do Think at the moment the Ferrari's could be the team to beat

But i doubt it will be a dull season!

But the problems do not surprise me in the slightest, when i did read this i wasn't really that shocked, the difference between the 2 RBR drivers was amazing, Most team mates were close. JB had a good reason, but Webber was just lagging on the pace and came to life when his car lightened up majorly near the end of the race which would happen to any car....

[yamashek]

I can believe the engine is much smaller. I personally think they have not had enough time to be able to do some hard core testing so what has happened is that Webber & Vettel have tested 2 different packages and in theory they have both failed for 2 different reasons!

Webber was far too slow

Vettel was too quick with a small engine and tight compact car. There fore ended up blowing up.

I do think Vettel could be in the race for the title if given the right package, but i do Think at the moment the Ferrari's could be the team to beat

But i doubt it will be a dull season!

But the problems do not surprise me in the slightest, when i did read this i wasn't really that shocked, the difference between the 2 RBR drivers was amazing, Most team mates were close. JB had a good reason, but Webber was just lagging on the pace and came to life when his car lightened up majorly near the end of the race which would happen to any car....

I understand where you are coming from, but Webber's race was mostly messed up during the qualifying session where he admitted that he made a crucial error that lost him time during Q3.

By small engine, what do you mean?


PS: I have a tiny feeling that Vettel's 2010 year is going to be similar to Kimi's 2005...car was 'insanely' fast but blows itself up to pieces during races...I CERTAINLY HOPE that is not the case...but of course, we have only seen one race so what i have just said was pure speculation

[racechick]

Why'd he stop on the track if he hadnt run out of petrol?

[vaptin]

Why'd he stop on the track if he hadnt run out of petrol?

At that point they diddn't really know what was wrong, so it was probably just a precaution to save the engine.

[racechick]

Why'd he stop on the track if he hadnt run out of petrol?

At that point they diddn't really know what was wrong, so it was probably just a precaution to save the engine.

Yeah I thought about that, but after he'd raced around on it for laps and laps, the last few`at full race pace? Bit wierd that he couldnt coast back to the pits.

[texasmr2]

What's this about it being a thirsty car? I'm sure that the Red Bull has the best fuel efficiency.

What leads you to this conclusion, none of us truelly know the truth?

Hence why it can be fuelled lighter ahead of the race...

Did I miss something, please enlighten me?

I will stick with the spark plug explanation. I hope that Ron Dennis is not right. Obviously the reliability of the Renault engine is causing a few issues, as we saw with Mark Webber's start.

I find it odd that Webber seem's to have more issues than Vettel?

Hey mate. The commentators were raving about how fuel efficient this car is at the start of the race...

Not the commentators I have as you and I have different feeds and frankly it's all moot to me, I like Vettel but could care less about Red Bull.

[Jamie]

I can believe the engine is much smaller. I personally think they have not had enough time to be able to do some hard core testing so what has happened is that Webber & Vettel have tested 2 different packages and in theory they have both failed for 2 different reasons!

Webber was far too slow

Vettel was too quick with a small engine and tight compact car. There fore ended up blowing up.

I do think Vettel could be in the race for the title if given the right package, but i do Think at the moment the Ferrari's could be the team to beat

But i doubt it will be a dull season!

But the problems do not surprise me in the slightest, when i did read this i wasn't really that shocked, the difference between the 2 RBR drivers was amazing, Most team mates were close. JB had a good reason, but Webber was just lagging on the pace and came to life when his car lightened up majorly near the end of the race which would happen to any car....

I understand where you are coming from, but Webber's race was mostly messed up during the qualifying session where he admitted that he made a crucial error that lost him time during Q3.

By small engine, what do you mean?


PS: I have a tiny feeling that Vettel's 2010 year is going to be similar to Kimi's 2005...car was 'insanely' fast but blows itself up to pieces during races...I CERTAINLY HOPE that is not the case...but of course, we have only seen one race so what i have just said was pure speculation

Yes, a smaller engine which means the fuel consumption is less and the car is lighter, with the greater down force, then they are extremely fast. But Vettel would slow down Alonso would catch and then that would be due to the high level of fuel consumption. So i can see it happening to be honest. We will have to wait, but a McLaren 2005 repeat is not so shy.....

[yamashek]

Yes, a smaller engine which means the fuel consumption is less and the car is lighter, with the greater down force, then they are extremely fast. But Vettel would slow down Alonso would catch and then that would be due to the high level of fuel consumption. So i can see it happening to be honest. We will have to wait, but a McLaren 2005 repeat is not so shy.....

Thanks for your explanation!
But that exhaust note doesn't support what Ron is saying though. Definitely a technical issue with the engine (ie. spark plug) and not the ECU using a low-fuel program.

[Jamie]

Yer, i can see what you mean. But as i said they have used 2 different concept cars on 2 different set ups and they were both un-successful. In 2 different ways, they have allot of work to do to improve there system, but the engine must have been a few litres less than the average car and cut it soo fine. But there is allot of things to consider, so lets wait and see for qually.