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[Gaz]

Takuma Sato needs to be in group 1

He didn't drive in F1 in 2009 though...

But he's Takuma Sato

[headless]

Heidfeld doesn't have flashes of genius

To be honest - I agree. I'd have him in the next group down. But I got talked down - it seems he has some fans on the forum!!

But hey, if 2-3 more people agree, there'd be an argument for moving him down...

Juliet

Yeah the title of that group says very very solid, which he defo is, but just not flashes of genius.

[Rivelution]

Ok - I think I'm going to go for Amanda's tactic and go for groups, within which people can decide the exact positioning themselves!

Group 1 - great or destined to be great
1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen
4. Massa
5. Vettel

Group 2 - very, very solid, with flashes of genius
6. Button
7. Barrichello
8. Webber
9. Rosberg
10. Kubica
11. Heidfeld

Group 3 - solid, could have a good season or two, but likely to never achieve greatness
12. Kovaleinen
13. Glock
14. Buemi
15. Fisichella
16. Sutil
17. Trulli

Group 4 - some promise
18. Bourdais
19. Kobayashi
20. Liuzzi

Group 5 - simply bad
21. Piquet Jr
22. Grosjean
23. Nakajima
24. Badoer

Everyone happy?

I pretty much agree with this list. Its a close one between Hamilton and Raikkonen for 2nd. Oh and I think Liuzzi should be in group 3.

[al4x]

Ok - I think I'm going to go for Amanda's tactic and go for groups, within which people can decide the exact positioning themselves!

Group 1 - great or destined to be great
1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen
4. Massa
5. Vettel

Group 2 - very, very solid, with flashes of genius
6. Button
7. Barrichello
8. Webber
9. Rosberg
10. Kubica
11. Heidfeld

Group 3 - solid, could have a good season or two, but likely to never achieve greatness
12. Kovaleinen
13. Glock
14. Buemi
15. Fisichella
16. Sutil
17. Trulli

Group 4 - some promise
18. Bourdais
19. Kobayashi
20. Liuzzi

Group 5 - simply bad
21. Piquet Jr
22. Grosjean
23. Nakajima
24. Badoer

Everyone happy?

id do.....

Group 1 - great or destined to be great
1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen [id put him in a separate if the motivations there part]
4. Massa [not as good as kimi when kimi is good but always tries, bt then hes had a good car for ages, maybe id put him in the group down, dunno]
5. Vettel [sometimes has a slip up but yeah deserves to be here]

Id put alonso and hamilton in a group of thier own, 1a, they are good, almost always, and ALWAYS try too, they are the best, if theyd have got on....

Group 2 - very, very solid, with flashes of genius
6. Button
7. Barrichello
8. Webber
9. Rosberg
10. Kubica
11. Heidfeld

i think this groups quite fair, except add glock

Group 3 - solid, could have a good season or two, but likely to never achieve greatness
12. Kovaleinen
13. Glock [id take glock and put him in the group 2]
14. Buemi
15. Fisichella
16. Sutil
17. Trulli

Group 4 - some promise
18. Bourdais
19. Kobayashi [ i wouldnt put him in yet cause only 2 races but promise is right]
20. Liuzzi

Group 5 - simply bad
21. Piquet Jr
22. Grosjean
23. Nakajima
24. Badoer
alguasari too?

[i think we all agree with this group!]

[Juliet P]

Alguesuari - dammit, I knew I would miss someone out! Algy goes in the bad group.

Genuinely, I would swap Heidfeld and Glock - but not everyone agrees with us, Alex!

[al4x]

Alguesuari - dammit, I knew I would miss someone out! Algy goes in the bad group.

Genuinely, I would swap Heidfeld and Glock - but not everyone agrees with us, Alex!

yep id agree with that actually, heidfeld is the 'safe bet' always finishes...somewhere in the mid field lol

hey juliet, we agree on something lol!

[7UpJordan]

If anything I'd put Algy in the "promising" group, it's not often you see drivers make the giant step from F3 to F1 straight away without doing GP2 first these days. He did well in his first few races.

[Jensonb]

1. Alonso
2. Raikkonen
3. Hamilton
4. Button
5. Vettel
6. Barrichello
7. Webber
8. Massa



9. Kubica
10. Rosberg
11. Heidfeld
12. Glock
13. Bourdais
14. Buemi

15. Fisichella
16. Kovalainen
17. Sutil
18. Trulli
19. Kobayashi (Lack of experience drags him down)
20. Liuzzi



21. Nakajima
22. Grosjean
23. Piquet Jr
24. Badoer

That's my rough assessment. They're grouped by similar skill levels, so anyone in any group on his day could be better than the rest.

[Big Azza]

19. Kobayashi (Lack of experience drags him down)

That's my rough assessment. They're grouped by similar skill levels, so anyone in any group on his day could be better than the rest.

Yes, but in Juliet's ranking he's in the "Some Promise" group. Above the "Simply Bad" group. As Kobayashi hasn't had a bad race, I think "Some Promise" is befitting, don't you?

[Big Azza]

Ah it appears I've quoted the wrong person!

[darwin dali]

1. Alonso
2. Raikkonen
3. Hamilton
4. Button
5. Vettel
6. Barrichello
7. Webber
8. Massa



9. Kubica
10. Rosberg
11. Heidfeld
12. Glock
13. Bourdais
14. Buemi

15. Fisichella
16. Kovalainen
17. Sutil
18. Trulli
19. Kobayashi (Lack of experience drags him down)
20. Liuzzi



21. Nakajima
22. Grosjean
23. Piquet Jr
24. Badoer

That's my rough assessment. They're grouped by similar skill levels, so anyone in any group on his day could be better than the rest.

FM in 8th?

[Big Azza]

HE should swap JB and FM.

[Gaz]

HE should swap JB and FM.

How many DNF's did Button have in 2009

How many did Massa have in 2008

[Big Azza]

How many DNFs did Button have in 2008?

OK, it's pointless arguing. Because I know that you will respond with "How many WDCs does Button have; how many does Massa have?" And then I will have to surrender.

Fine then - leave Button there. We will see where he is next year!

[Amanda]

How many DNFs did Button have in 2008?

OK, it's pointless arguing. Because I know that you will respond with "How many WDCs does Button have; how many does Massa have?" And then I will have to surrender.

Fine then - leave Button there. We will see where he is next year!

If it's any consolation, I'd move Button down too