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[Jensonb]

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

So McLaren fans keep on saying. But the lying (and therefore cheating) was so blatant, that I think an additional penalty is deserved. Particularly with McLaren being on probation.

typical.

Typical

[bud]

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

So McLaren fans keep on saying. But the lying (and therefore cheating) was so blatant, that I think an additional penalty is deserved. Particularly with McLaren being on probation.

typical.

Typical

[Jamie]

To be honest, I haven't read what any1 else has said. So sorry if it don't gel with what others have said. I think it's total rubbish, they won't lose McLaren? otherwise they would ship to the U.S! i doubt Bernie would like that? so in all they won't leave, most of the population in Britain support Hammy and Macca? I think some people have lost cerin brain cells and may not be operating properly?

[Gaz]

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

So McLaren fans keep on saying. But the lying (and therefore cheating) was so blatant, that I think an additional penalty is deserved. Particularly with McLaren being on probation.

Right ok well i can think of 100s of times other teams have cheated and got away scot free.

Strange thing its Mostly Ferrari.

[Jamie]

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

So McLaren fans keep on saying. But the lying (and therefore cheating) was so blatant, that I think an additional penalty is deserved. Particularly with McLaren being on probation.

Right ok well i can think of 100s of times other teams have cheated and got away scot free.

Strange thing its Mostly Ferrari.

Remember my friend, Corruption, McLaren will get a slap on the wrist. I think people are thinking too much into this. Nothing will happen trust me? Maybe if McLaren won Bernie would DQ the won to be spiteful?

[Gaz]

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

So McLaren fans keep on saying. But the lying (and therefore cheating) was so blatant, that I think an additional penalty is deserved. Particularly with McLaren being on probation.

Right ok well i can think of 100s of times other teams have cheated and got away scot free.

Strange thing its Mostly Ferrari.

Remember my friend, Corruption, McLaren will get a slap on the wrist. I think people are thinking too much into this. Nothing will happen trust me? Maybe if McLaren won Bernie would DQ the won to be spiteful?

LOL the FIA Hate Mclaren they won't let them off lightly.

and Bernie has nothing to do with the rules and regs so he couldn't DSQ them.

[Jamie]

Fair enough, i find that unfair. But they won't get rid, i think it will be forgot later on. Or a minimum of points reduction or just have constructors banned like in 07? But otherwise the sport should be left to battle it out with speed I'm getting tired of the arguing an controversy

[darwin dali]

Just think of it this way: when a track and field athlete, e.g., lies and does do doping and gets caught, s/he often gets banned for a while, repeat offenders get banned for life. Of course they get stripped of their medals that they won under the influence, but it doesn't just stop there - they usually get banned as well.

[bud]

Just think of it this way: when a track and field athlete, e.g., lies and does do doping and gets caught, s/he often gets banned for a while, repeat offenders get banned for life. Of course they get stripped of their medals that they won under the influence, but it doesn't just stop there - they usually get banned as well.

not exactly the same McLaren didnt repeat the same thing twice. Sure the FIA are saying they brought the sport into disrepute but where does that line begin and end anyway? and i would be 100% accurate in saying all drivers would have fibbed to the stewards in their career

[McLaren Fan]

You've also got to factor in as well that the spy scandal was nothing more than a political assassination.

[Gaz]

Just think of it this way: when a track and field athlete, e.g., lies and does do doping and gets caught, s/he often gets banned for a while, repeat offenders get banned for life. Of course they get stripped of their medals that they won under the influence, but it doesn't just stop there - they usually get banned as well.

Doping in F1 would be akin to a car running light or cooling fuel etc..

this is somthing totally diffrent

[Jensonb]

Just think of it this way: when a track and field athlete, e.g., lies and does do doping and gets caught, s/he often gets banned for a while, repeat offenders get banned for life. Of course they get stripped of their medals that they won under the influence, but it doesn't just stop there - they usually get banned as well.

Doping in F1 would be akin to a car running light or cooling fuel etc..

this is somthing totally diffrent

He was just using doping as an example of breaking the rules.

[Gaz]

Just think of it this way: when a track and field athlete, e.g., lies and does do doping and gets caught, s/he often gets banned for a while, repeat offenders get banned for life. Of course they get stripped of their medals that they won under the influence, but it doesn't just stop there - they usually get banned as well.

Doping in F1 would be akin to a car running light or cooling fuel etc..

this is somthing totally diffrent

He was just using doping as an example of breaking the rules.

Yeh but there's level of it.

This would be akin to a football diving.

Hes cheating and trying to Lie about it to the Referee.

[EwanM]

McLaren make apology for 'lying'
McLaren have written to Formula 1's governing body, the FIA, to apologise for misleading race stewards after the season-opening Australian Grand Prix.

McLaren were found guilty of misleading race stewards, with their driver Lewis Hamilton disqualified from the race.

The team are charged with five counts of bringing the sport into disrepute and face an FIA hearing on 29 April.

Penalties could include expulsion from the 2009 championship, suspension, a fine or points deduction.

"We are co-operating with the FIA. I have written to (FIA president) Max Mosley but before 29 April I can't say anything about it," said McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh ahead of Sunday's Bahrain Grand Prix.

"It's a letter to them. Certainly, there's been no leak about it from us and I can't comment on it."

Whitmarsh's letter offers Mosley, the FIA and race officials "an unreserved apology" for lying to stewards in Melbourne.

Hamilton finished fourth behind Trulli's Toyota, whom McLaren accused of breaking F1 rules by overtaking while the field was under the control of the safety car.

Officials initially handed Trulli a 25-second penalty, promoting Hamilton to third after the world champion and McLaren's long-serving sporting director Dave Ryan gave evidence that the Englishman had not deliberately let the Toyota driver through, and had not been asked by the team to do so.

But McLaren's radio communication contradicted this and Hamilton was later disqualified with Trulli reinstated to third place.

Hamilton, who issued an emotional public apology after the incident, is expected to escape further censure but Ryan, who was with him at the hearings and has worked for McLaren for 35 years, has been sacked.

Whitmarsh's predecessor as team principal, Ron Dennis, has stood down as McLaren chairman and severed his formal ties with the Formula 1 side of the business.

By accepting that they breached the sporting regulations, McLaren have effectively thrown themselves at the mercy of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC), who will preside over their fate.

The FIA said McLaren knew they were lying when they told race officials they had not given Hamilton instructions to let Trulli overtake.

It is also claimed by the FIA that McLaren made no attempt to rectify their evidence under scrutiny.

The WMSC is the body which disqualified McLaren from the constructors' championship and fined them $100m (£67m) for their role in a spy scandal involving Ferrari in 2007.

The last team to be suspended from the championship was BAR, predecessors to Honda and current leaders Brawn GP, in 2005 for having a hidden extra fuel tank.

BAR missed the Spanish and Monaco Grands Prix, which happen to be the next two races on the calendar after Bahrain this year.

Story from BBC SPORT:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8016611.stm

[darwin dali]

Just think of it this way: when a track and field athlete, e.g., lies and does do doping and gets caught, s/he often gets banned for a while, repeat offenders get banned for life. Of course they get stripped of their medals that they won under the influence, but it doesn't just stop there - they usually get banned as well.

Doping in F1 would be akin to a car running light or cooling fuel etc..

this is somthing totally diffrent

He was just using doping as an example of breaking the rules.

Yeh but there's level of it.

This would be akin to a football diving.

Hes cheating and trying to Lie about it to the Referee.

And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!