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[Denthúl]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

[darwin dali]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
The new F1 wouldn't get off the ground because they'd lose all the attractive race tracks. They couldn't call themselves F1 either (naming rights with BE), so people would only see BE's new F1 for some time and would get used to it by the time the classic F1 gets reborn (maybe).

[Stealthgate007]

I just read this before coming online, and gee gawd that guy talks some sense.

The FIA and Bernie are a bunch of money grubbing twats. The FOTA clearly make decisions that every fan agrees with and that are clearly better for the sport. The FIA and Bernie make decisions that are better for the environment and their wallets.

True, I'm sure Bernie could stop some circuits from hosting races somewhere in his contracts. But ultimately if all the teams leave, Bernie's not bringing a race to these venues and thus the contract is broken. Then I'm sure the circuits would be very quick to draw up new contracts with the FOTA. They'll not want to go a year without an F1 race. Plus we could see better tracks on the calendar. I'm sure they'd look into racing at America, and Montreal a classic circuit would hopefully make a return. We wouldn't see crap like twilight races.

Not only that, if there was a break-away series. The FOTA could hire ex-drivers like Jackie Stewart to replace the race stewarts.



But really, its not going to happen for one key reason. Safety. The FIA carries out all of the safety tests and makes sure that the drivers are safe. Without their measures theres a pretty good chances Kubicas crash would've been fatal. The FOTA can't just all of sudden start running these tests and go racing the next day. The reality is, if such a break-away series was to take place some-one would actually need to be put in place to manage the commercial and safety aspects. Someone needs to managing the TV feeds and commerical rights. So that could actually take a few years to set-up. Which would mean no racing for a few years, so really its but a distant dream.

A breakway series from the FIA might be further possible but theres another problem. Bernie would have to come, and Ferrari are tied to the FIA. Not a great combination.

The US managed to have a breakaway fairly easily, it can be done

I agree with JB. I think this all could be worked out over a winter season.
1. FOTA decide their own fate at the end of the season (if they start planning now)
2. Sponsorship will grow because their investment will go much further
3. Overall, F1 can reduce costs by making 50-50 straight 75 and allowing the rest to go into cheaper tickets for fans and less highway robbery for venues.
4. TV will come. How stupid is it to have to have paid tv to watch races? Right now F1is like Pay Per View. I watch NASCAR all day for Free. NFL free, NLB free, NBA free... Hockey for free...

[Jensonb]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

Exactly, people are not stupid. They would look, and not recognise the names and teams and then switch over to the GPWC on the other channel.

[Denthúl]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

Exactly, people are not stupid. They would look, and not recognise the names and teams and then switch over to the GPWC on the other channel.

I dunno, I'm seeing a lot of stupidity in people from where I sit at the moment

[Stealthgate007]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
The new F1 wouldn't get off the ground because they'd lose all the attractive race tracks. They couldn't call themselves F1 either (naming rights with BE), so people would only see BE's new F1 for some time and would get used to it by the time the classic F1 gets reborn (maybe).

If manufactures don't supply cars for Bernie's F1 then who is he gonna have running. It has to be at the manufacture level. I could see formula Ferrari Invitation!!

[Denthúl]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
The new F1 wouldn't get off the ground because they'd lose all the attractive race tracks. They couldn't call themselves F1 either (naming rights with BE), so people would only see BE's new F1 for some time and would get used to it by the time the classic F1 gets reborn (maybe).

If manufactures don't supply cars for Bernie's F1 then who is he gonna have running. It has to be at the manufacture level. I could see formula Ferrari Invitation!!

A1GP is Formula Ferrari

[Stealthgate007]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
The new F1 wouldn't get off the ground because they'd lose all the attractive race tracks. They couldn't call themselves F1 either (naming rights with BE), so people would only see BE's new F1 for some time and would get used to it by the time the classic F1 gets reborn (maybe).

If manufactures don't supply cars for Bernie's F1 then who is he gonna have running. It has to be at the manufacture level. I could see formula Ferrari Invitation!!

A1GP is Formula Ferrari

Invitation denotes other Manufactures. IF BMW, Renault, Mercedes, Toyo, and Ferrari say no cars or engines to any of Bernies formulas...

[darwin dali]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
The new F1 wouldn't get off the ground because they'd lose all the attractive race tracks. They couldn't call themselves F1 either (naming rights with BE), so people would only see BE's new F1 for some time and would get used to it by the time the classic F1 gets reborn (maybe).

If manufactures don't supply cars for Bernie's F1 then who is he gonna have running. It has to be at the manufacture level. I could see formula Ferrari Invitation!!

A1GP is Formula Ferrari

Invitation denotes other Manufactures. IF BMW, Renault, Mercedes, Toyo, and Ferrari say no cars or engines to any of Bernies formulas...

...MM's World Engine

Made by Tata and Hyundai in collaboration with Cosworth

[Jensonb]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
The new F1 wouldn't get off the ground because they'd lose all the attractive race tracks. They couldn't call themselves F1 either (naming rights with BE), so people would only see BE's new F1 for some time and would get used to it by the time the classic F1 gets reborn (maybe).

If manufactures don't supply cars for Bernie's F1 then who is he gonna have running. It has to be at the manufacture level. I could see formula Ferrari Invitation!!

A1GP is Formula Ferrari

A1GP isn't even a motorsport, it's a rich boy's train set.

Nor is it a World Cup.

[Stealthgate007]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
The new F1 wouldn't get off the ground because they'd lose all the attractive race tracks. They couldn't call themselves F1 either (naming rights with BE), so people would only see BE's new F1 for some time and would get used to it by the time the classic F1 gets reborn (maybe).

If manufactures don't supply cars for Bernie's F1 then who is he gonna have running. It has to be at the manufacture level. I could see formula Ferrari Invitation!!

A1GP is Formula Ferrari

Invitation denotes other Manufactures. IF BMW, Renault, Mercedes, Toyo, and Ferrari say no cars or engines to any of Bernies formulas...

...MM's World Engine

Made by Tata and Hyundai in collaboration with Cosworth

Ewww that's nasty

But fans want to see Manufacturers. So they can go buy their cars, like my bmw. So when I pull up to the Mercedes fan, I can say my BMW is way more impressive than your Mercedes.. this year MyTata is better than your Hyundai, Just has a fast and furious sound to it..... Better yet fast and Bi-curious sound to it.

[EwanM]

he talks sense. I could imagine Bernie and the FIA blocking alot of tracks from being used by a breakaway series. possibly created alot more street races.

Ultimately, Bernie and the FIA would have little power to do so. The F1 teams could bring more money and television revenues than Bernie could.

No no Bernie has a serious amount of influence over most of the major tracks around the world. He has exclusive rights clauses in his contracts.

[EwanM]

But fans want to see Manufacturers. So they can go buy their cars, like my bmw. So when I pull up to the Mercedes fan, I can say my BMW is way more impressive than your Mercedes.. this year MyTata is better than your Hyundai, Just has a fast and furious sound to it..... Better yet fast and Bi-curious sound to it.

Not necessarily. Formula One has only recently experienced a full Manufacturer era. In saying that bar Toyota, the three best teams in F1 atm are all Constructors. A complete turn around!

[Jensonb]

BE would simply rebatch one of the lower series as F1 and hold races on 'his' contracted tracks. MM would jump on that opportunity as those cars run on a shoestring budget compared to F1, thus, a win-win for him.

But less people would watch it. Compare the number of people that watch GP2 with those that watch Formula One. It's massive.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
The new F1 wouldn't get off the ground because they'd lose all the attractive race tracks. They couldn't call themselves F1 either (naming rights with BE), so people would only see BE's new F1 for some time and would get used to it by the time the classic F1 gets reborn (maybe).

If manufactures don't supply cars for Bernie's F1 then who is he gonna have running. It has to be at the manufacture level. I could see formula Ferrari Invitation!!

A1GP is Formula Ferrari

Invitation denotes other Manufactures. IF BMW, Renault, Mercedes, Toyo, and Ferrari say no cars or engines to any of Bernies formulas...

...MM's World Engine

Made by Tata and Hyundai in collaboration with Cosworth

Ewww that's nasty

But fans want to see Manufacturers. So they can go buy their cars, like my bmw. So when I pull up to the Mercedes fan, I can say my BMW is way more impressive than your Mercedes.. this year MyTata is better than your Hyundai, Just has a fast and furious sound to it..... Better yet fast and Bi-curious sound to it.

...

So, should I buy a Renault Twingo or a Tata Nano Europa?

[burt estep]

ok,here's what iv'e been doing.i have a 50 page manifesto that iv'e sent a sneak peek to a few teams and promotors.namely n.legault and tony george.outlining amost exactly what now comes to light.on the matter of conracted tracks=if no cars show up bernie is in default of said contract.by default the circut owners then have the right to sue.such lawsuits will bring the house down by the way of bank default.he won't be able to cover the intrest/except out of his own savings?the fia can be desposed of in exactly the manner spelt out in the artical.the only real sticky part is the tv contracts.all but 2 are run through bernie's. / but/ the teams all as one force/manu's/constructors would be able to offer the tv rights to the host countrie's broadcaster of choice.no races for bernie/fia/the contracts are null and void.the teams then set up their own board app. brand managers/rule com.and get on w/the show.iv'e been working on this for over a year now and am getting pos.feedback from like minded people inside the sport.all this because i'm a 45 year vet. of this sport who is mad as hell about the way the sport is/has been mis-managed/and no u.s/canadian g.p.this looks to end my 45 years in a row of seeing/being at/ at least 1 g.p. a year.everyone who loves this sport should by any/all means pitch in and make this happen.write! burt.