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[Jabberwocky]

I would have to agree with wb on this next year is his best chance in the immediate future

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[CookinFlat6]

As much ad I support Hamilton and want him to win, I don't believe Lewis will win another WDC.

I appreciate where you are coming from, however I believe there is some kind of determination behind the randomness we see in F1 with dominant teams.
And I believe history tells us that we would be absolutely mad to think there will not be a massive shake up of the order from 2014, and as MS defined this modern era, smart money must go on a manufacturer that has deep pockets, has a heritage as old as the motor car itself, has a gangabangs worth of expensive engineers and of course has the 2 fastest sheer pace drivers on the grid. (IMHO, not just being filthy and disgusting)

Talking about history telling us about shake ups at big regulation changes, look what happened at the previous significant shift - RBR coming from nowhere om the back of aeros unpredicted preeminence (remember that almost 10 years ago F1 started to actually slow things down) Engines were starting to perform at 22,000 rpm, driver aids like traction control were threatening to make the driver the weakest link in terms of G.

Well, 2014 is even bigger in terms of absolute changes, what with fuel efficiency etc. History tells us that the deepest pockets plus inevitable brightest minds plus inevitably fastest drivers will rip the arse out of it

I am willing to bet hard cash with anyone here that Merc will own the next era

[sagi58]

I think it is unfair to say he turned the team around. Most of the work was already done before he turned up. He just tirned up at the right time

Thank you!! I'm of the mind that Hamilton has a lot to thank Schumi for!!

Drivers don't design, they drive as fast as the car will go galvanising the designers

"Most" drivers don't have input into the design of the car. But, "most" drivers are not Schumi!!

[sagi58]

As much ad I support Hamilton and want him to win, I don't believe Lewis will win another WDC.

I appreciate where you are coming from, however I believe there is some kind of determination behind the randomness we see in F1 with dominant teams.
And I believe history tells us that we would be absolutely mad to think there will not be a massive shake up of the order from 2014, and as MS defined this modern era, smart money must go on a manufacturer that has deep pockets, has a heritage as old as the motor car itself, has a gangabangs worth of expensive engineers and of course has the 2 fastest sheer pace drivers on the grid...

When I read this, I thought "Yup, Ferrari will definitely be the team to watch!!"
Good thing I stopped reading, eh?

[CookinFlat6]

Sagi, Ferrari and Merc are the only 2 manufacturers with reputations and cars to sell throwing big money at this

Your drinks companies may come and go but these guys can and will buy success, because being on top of the (supposedly) premier motor sport on earth, for them its money well spent to be on top.

So all thats happened is Merc have asset stripped and replaced Mclaren, but resource wise, even though it may take Ferrari a bit longer,these 2 teams IMHO will be the main players

just that Merc look more serious at the mo

[Roth]

Didn't Toyota and Honda have very deep pockets too though? Neither made much of an impression although both threatened to with competitive blips rather than sustained success.

Honestly, I don't go into what makes a team successful, too much speculation. MS' development hand at Ferrari is probably overstated but it 's a legacy that continues. Patsy team mates, dodgy ethics, best tacticians, biggest budget, unlimited testing and eventually having one trye manufacturer producing a tyre specifcally for you helped - that and being the best driver out there anyway. It was the perfect storm. His time at Mercedes put a lot of that success into perspective. So I don't think Hamilton has too much to thank him for.

[CookinFlat6]

Toyota and Honda were not the only 2 engine maker teams in an era based on the power unit. Merc and Ferrari have a chance to build the best integrated and efficient cars.
Yes MS hung around the garage and the (unlimited) test track a lot, had his own tyres and his own water carrier and in time the team dominated.
After his time at Merc its obvious that there wasnt anything in his speed or race craft that made him special, so the car package is all important. And any top top driver lucky enough to end up in one of those seats is on the way to greatness.
Of course Alonso, Lewis, Kimi and Nico have all earned and driven themselves into those seats.

[LRW]

As much ad I support Hamilton and want him to win, I don't believe Lewis will win another WDC.

I appreciate where you are coming from, however I believe there is some kind of determination behind the randomness we see in F1 with dominant teams.
And I believe history tells us that we would be absolutely mad to think there will not be a massive shake up of the order from 2014, and as MS defined this modern era, smart money must go on a manufacturer that has deep pockets, has a heritage as old as the motor car itself, has a gangabangs worth of expensive engineers and of course has the 2 fastest sheer pace drivers on the grid. (IMHO, not just being filthy and disgusting)

Talking about history telling us about shake ups at big regulation changes, look what happened at the previous significant shift - RBR coming from nowhere om the back of aeros unpredicted preeminence (remember that almost 10 years ago F1 started to actually slow things down) Engines were starting to perform at 22,000 rpm, driver aids like traction control were threatening to make the driver the weakest link in terms of G.

Well, 2014 is even bigger in terms of absolute changes, what with fuel efficiency etc. History tells us that the deepest pockets plus inevitable brightest minds plus inevitably fastest drivers will rip the arse out of it

I am willing to bet hard cash with anyone here that Merc will own the next era

God I hope you are right. I just dont trust RedBull enough not to put a spanner in the works. Im just a negative kind of guy I suppose so I think the worst.

[Roth]

God I hope you are right. I just dont trust RedBull enough not to put a spanner in the works. Im just a negative kind of guy I suppose so I think the worst.

It's only natural to feel like this. We all remember the dull inevitability of the Schumacher era and how it seemed like it would never end. Red Bull's has dragged on for almost as long.

You wouldn't think open racing in comparitive cars would be all that difficult but apparently it is.

[racechick]

I agree with you Roth and Cookie, Lewis has nothing to thank Schumacher for. Schumacher dominated ( first time round) for the reasons that have been stated. Reading between the lines when Rosberg talks about the partnership, he was a not easy to work with. Yes he spent time in his Hayday with the mechanics and testing, but you can't do that now, and the type of car Schumacher wanted is not conducive to success in this era. So I doubt his skill have been responsible for forwarding the Mercedes this year at all. Put that down to Brawn's restructuring and vision, the arrival of Lewis galvanising the team, and two excellent drivers.
Actually , there is one thing Lewis can thank Michael for, for showing everyone that in Nico they have an excellent driver, who despite having Schumacher call the tunes, beat him resoundingly.

[LewEngBridewell]

Sagi, Ferrari and Merc are the only 2 manufacturers with reputations and cars to sell throwing big money at this

Your drinks companies may come and go but these guys can and will buy success, because being on top of the (supposedly) premier motor sport on earth, for them its money well spent to be on top.

So all thats happened is Merc have asset stripped and replaced Mclaren, but resource wise, even though it may take Ferrari a bit longer,these 2 teams IMHO will be the main players

just that Merc look more serious at the mo

I know what you're saying, but history shows that Ferrari are the ONLY manufacturer which has managed to keep its interest in F1 fulfilled for the long-term. Maybe it will change, but I can't really see it.

My thoughts on it are as follows. Give it a decade, and Merc, unless they have SERIOUS success, will simply not be here.

Ferrari, McLaren and Williams will outlive them all, long after RBR and Merc have departed.

[LRW]

Sagi, Ferrari and Merc are the only 2 manufacturers with reputations and cars to sell throwing big money at this

Your drinks companies may come and go but these guys can and will buy success, because being on top of the (supposedly) premier motor sport on earth, for them its money well spent to be on top.

So all thats happened is Merc have asset stripped and replaced Mclaren, but resource wise, even though it may take Ferrari a bit longer,these 2 teams IMHO will be the main players

just that Merc look more serious at the mo

I know what you're saying, but history shows that Ferrari are the ONLY manufacturer which has managed to keep its interest in F1 fulfilled for the long-term. Maybe it will change, but I can't really see it.

My thoughts on it are as follows. Give it a decade, and Merc, unless they have SERIOUS success, will simply not be here.

Ferrari, McLaren and Williams will outlive them all, long after RBR and Merc have departed.

I predict Williams will be gone in the next 10 years.

I think this because I believe Frank will step down sooner or later from any involvement in the team, due to health. Moving forward after this, I just don't think Claire Williams has enough fire in the belly to pull them through the tough years ahead.

[racechick]

Sagi, Ferrari and Merc are the only 2 manufacturers with reputations and cars to sell throwing big money at this

Your drinks companies may come and go but these guys can and will buy success, because being on top of the (supposedly) premier motor sport on earth, for them its money well spent to be on top.

So all thats happened is Merc have asset stripped and replaced Mclaren, but resource wise, even though it may take Ferrari a bit longer,these 2 teams IMHO will be the main players

just that Merc look more serious at the mo

I know what you're saying, but history shows that Ferrari are the ONLY manufacturer which has managed to keep its interest in F1 fulfilled for the long-term. Maybe it will change, but I can't really see it.

My thoughts on it are as follows. Give it a decade, and Merc, unless they have SERIOUS success, will simply not be here.

Ferrari, McLaren and Williams will outlive them all, long after RBR and Merc have departed.

I predict Williams will be gone in the next 10 years.

I think this because I believe Frank will step down sooner or later from any involvement in the team, due to health. Moving forward after this, I just don't think Claire Williams has enough fire in the belly to pull them through the tough years ahead.

Never underestimate a woman!!

[LRW]

I predict Williams will be gone in the next 10 years.

I think this because I believe Frank will step down sooner or later from any involvement in the team, due to health. Moving forward after this, I just don't think Claire Williams has enough fire in the belly to pull them through the tough years ahead.

Never underestimate a woman!!

That is a sexist comment RC, and I take umbrage with the accusation.

[racechick]

I predict Williams will be gone in the next 10 years.

I think this because I believe Frank will step down sooner or later from any involvement in the team, due to health. Moving forward after this, I just don't think Claire Williams has enough fire in the belly to pull them through the tough years ahead.

Never underestimate a woman!!

That is a sexist comment RC, and I take umbrage with the accusation.

I was being flippant, sorry if you were offended.
Let me put it another way. Often women work differently to men. Whilst they may not show the overt aggression and drive shown by a man, they can often get things done just as well in a more low key, but never the less determined manner. Of course there will be many exceptions on each side. So let me rephrase
Never underestimate the less overtly aggresive person.