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#51947
Nothing.
Is there anyone looking for tickets i have 2 for the pit straight !
Lets talk about Silverstone.

Who else is going this year?


Yeah, just if you wanna talk like that about Mclaren or Hamilton, there is plenty of other threads on this forum to cater to your needs. Let's keep this GP based... predictions yes but slagging not.

I personally recommend my own thread "Big Hamilton feeling the heat of F1 fight" if you wanna bash or praise him.
And the Mclaren FIA thread is perfect for Ferrari V Mclaren rumblings :D

Anyways i'll stop being a bit of a d**k.
I'm going yeah, it is gonna be great.

What do people wanna see happen at the GP?
Any aims and targets for the weekend?
#51951
It's all right, you don't have to boil the water at Silverstone, it's not in the same area as where the contaminated water is (I have relatives living in the local area who did a postcode check on the circuit and their flat and they're both fine).

I would take hayfever tablets with you though, the village pollen count is through the roof. Was there for testing on Tuesday and Piriteze did absolutely nothing to help.

Re: Green Man, I wouldn't walk it if I were you as it is on the opposite side of the dual carriageway in the middle of farm land and it's dangerous enough trying to cross over by car from the Silverstone direction, let alone on foot. I don't recall ever seeing a footpath to it. It also is pretty lacking in atmosphere as it doubles up as the restaurant for the Premier Travel Inn next door (maybe on Grand Prix weekend it's different, I don't know)

There is the main pub in Silverstone village itself which is having events during the weekend and I am pretty sure there is another closed down pub whose old beer gardens are opened up just for the weekend (on the main road through silverstone village from the dual carriageway, the village side of the bridge crossing it - next to the butchers, if anyone's been there before). Personally I'd jump in the car and head for either Brackley or Towcester.

I am going this year and will be in the Pit Straight Terrace and staying with relatives in the village. Can't wait.
#51953
I'm on tablets also for stupid darn hay fever


not nice is it, i dont have it too bad tho


al4x i don't know how this start, but I was out driving tonight,up through the forests where I live seen a deer. It did a little dance, no lie.
And 2 foxes.

Hayfever sucks, think ive grew outta it :S is tht possible?


lol, you dont want to know where it started :irked: least you dont live i n east anglia, the pollen sink hole!

It sure is. All that damn **** seed.
#51966
I'm on tablets also for stupid darn hay fever


not nice is it, i dont have it too bad tho


al4x i don't know how this start, but I was out driving tonight,up through the forests where I live seen a deer. It did a little dance, no lie.
And 2 foxes.

Hayfever sucks, think ive grew outta it :S is tht possible?


lol, you dont want to know where it started :irked: least you dont live i n east anglia, the pollen sink hole!

It sure is. All that damn **** seed.


SEEDSEED
#51973
British Grand Prix struggles to stay afloat http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/kevin_gars ... tay_afloat
Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 10:22 AM GMT [General]

Felipe Massa goes three tenths quicker than Heikki Kovalainen on the first day of testing at Silverstone. A country mile at a country fare, Mr E might say.

The performance of Ferrari in Magny-Cours and at Silverstone yesterday suggests that McLaren may have to wait until the meandering, twisting Hungaroring before they are back at the races. The German Grand Prix at Hockenheim is next up after Silverstone, another quick circuit suited to the red machine.

We shall see what the next two days bring but the tea leaves are not looking good for Lewis. Great to see the old place full of punters. The whole three-day test is sold out, as are all three days of the grand prix.

What would Malaysia, China and Bahrain, three of the circuits on the front line of Bernie's global F1 expansion, give for a response like that. And the old airfield looks certain to slip off the calendar after next year's race.

Unlike the aforementioned tracks, there is no state funding to keep the British Grand Prix afloat. The government is not in the same need of a flagship sporting event to confer first world status on the nation.

The emergence of subsidised races has sent the market rate for grands prix through the roof. Unfortunately there is no sub-prime crisis to force a correction. The owners of Silverstone, the British Racing Drivers Club, must find £11 million a year just to host the race from 2010, not to mention the cost of redevelopment.

Forget Donington. That is never going to happen. The circuit is even further removed than Silverstone from the requisite blueprint to host a grand prix. Brands Hatch is in the same boat. If this were Brazil, both would suffice, but then the British Grand Prix issue was never about facilities. If the money is in Bernie's bank the race will go on. Simple as that.
#51994
i cant imagine a championship without a British or French GP and the talk of losing them the past few years is really


The Brit AND French GP are going to stay. Bernie's just arm wrestling them to see how much he can $queeze their respective governments for.
#52006
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68646

Hill: British GP chances still 50/50

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, June 26th 2008, 13:30 GMT


Silverstone's chances of completing a deal to secure the future of the British Grand Prix are still only 50/50, claims Damon Hill - despite the wave of interest sparked by Lewis Hamilton and the track's plans to fulfil a £30 million redevelopment request.

With discussions between the Northamptonshire track and F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone ongoing, Hill, who is president of circuit owners the British Racing Drivers' Club, said that he was still taking nothing for granted in completing a deal.

"I would say 50/50 was probably about right," Hill told reporters on Thursday when asked about the chances of Silverstone securing a deal beyond 2009. "I am not going to assume anything when it comes to F1.

"My experience is you should never make some presumptions, so it would be prudent to consider it a 50/50 figure. But, I am 100 percent confident that we have got what it will take and we can deliver what F1 will be proud of, and the UK will be proud of."

With planning permission for a new pits and paddock complex having been approved, the major stumbling block for pressing ahead with plans was now tying down a commercial deal with Ecclestone.

Hill admitted that the talks were stuck in a state of limbo now - with a new commercial deal unlikely until the track redevelopment is started, and the track redevelopment unlikely to start until a commercial deal is sorted.

"I liken it to the Aladdin's cave: the genie says give me the lamp and Aladdin says get me out of the cave and I'll give you the lamp," he explained.

"You're in this constant cyclical thing whereby in order to get our plans implemented we need to have a Grand Prix contract and in order to get the Grand Prix contract we have to have our planning.

"So it's going round in circles, but the circles are getting smaller and we're getting closer to the final stage I think."

He added: "We're definitely making progress. We've got the planning consent for our pit and paddock complex. It's one step at a time; the negotiations typically will be ongoing and I expect won't come to a conclusion until the final hour, whenever that is.

"If we're going to fulfil the building requirements then ideally we have to get going on it before the end of this year. So it's situation normal."

Hill also did not dismiss the threat posed by Donington Park, who revealed recently that they were in talks with Ecclestone about a deal to poach the British Grand Prix.

"I would never discount any other option. It's the nature of this free market that there's always another option to go to and we have to compete.

"A tremendous amount of work has gone in to placing Silverstone and getting it to the position where it's teed up to become a leading centre for world motorsport.

"I think it's ideally placed for Formula One and for all motorsport, and we also have ambitions to fulfil the objectives of the government, which is to provide education, vocational training and also promote the UK.

"We think we've got everything in place there to make us a very strong candidate for either investment or for Grand Prix contracts."

Hill also said that Silverstone would take nothing for granted about agreements that are held between the FIA and Formula One Management to guarantee the future of 'traditional' races – like the British GP.
#52010
Here's the full interview, from autosport.com:

Q & A with Damon Hill

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, June 26th 2008, 13:45 GMT

Damon HillQ: Where are we up to with Silverstone, Bernie and the contract situation?

Damon Hill: "I think it's as it always is. We're definitely making progress. We've got the planning consent for our pit and paddock complex. It's one step at a time; the negotiations typically will be ongoing and I expect won't come to a conclusion until the final hour, whenever that is.

"If we're going to fulfil the building requirements then ideally we have to get going on it before the end of this year. So it's situation normal."

Q: Do you see Donington Park as a real threat?

DH: "I would never discount any other option. It's the nature of this free market that there's always another option to go to and we have to compete.

"A tremendous amount of work has gone in to placing Silverstone, and getting it to the position where it's teed up to become a leading centre for world motorsport. I think it's ideally placed for Formula One and for all motorsport, and we also have ambitions to fulfil the objectives of the government, which are to provide education, vocational training and also promote the UK.

"We think we've got everything in place there to make us a very strong candidate for either investment or for Grand Prix contracts."

Q: Where has Bernie's renewed push come from? Is the planning running late or is it just Bernie's impatience?

DH: "I don't think there's anything new in that. I think we get the same treatment as most venues; we may even get better treatment than some.

"Without getting personal, Bernie drives the marketing of Formula One and he knows he's got a product which has a market value in the world, and he doesn't see any reason why that can't be matched wherever you go - especially when it comes to a country which is one of the world's leading economies.

"But equally you can say, hang on a minute, this is one of the best places that Formula One can come to, so it has a value in that regard. We will be sold out all five days and that will be great for Formula One.

"The reason is that the UK has such a history - we're celebrating 60 years of Silverstone - success in motorsport in drivers, teams and technology; and a knowledgeable fan base who are prepared to come to Silverstone and support the event. So, how valuable is that? That's also an argument."

Q: Are you still on schedule with your redevelopment plans?

DH: "Applications for planning consent have to go through a detailed process, it's quite time-consuming. But we have got some excellent people, Spencer Canning is the guy who has really been excellent on working on our estate planning and working with the two local authorities.

"It's a big job, and we've had plans that have been kicked into touch because they were rejected by the BRDC membership who didn't like aspects of them, so we've had to review that. That was before my time, but it's a slow and long-winded process.

"But it's going inch by inch in the right direction. In fact, I'd say we're now making good progress to create foundations for a fantastic realignment of the assets of Silverstone, so that they are reinvested in Silverstone to provide the best facility, the best track and also educational facilities which may appeal to the national government, if they feel inclined to support us in what we're doing.

"We're certainly not making any demands, but I think Silverstone is the UK's premier venue and I think it's right that we don't lose it and that it represents the best of what the UK can offer."

Q: Is the biggest hurdle to a new deal still Bernie's race fee as opposed to all the redevelopment costs?

DH: "I liken it to the Aladdin's cave: the genie says give me the lamp and Aladdin says get me out of the cave and I'll give you the lamp. You're in this constant cycle whereby in order to get our plans implemented we need to have a Grand Prix contract, and in order to get the Grand Prix contract we have to have our planning. So it's going round in circles, but the circles are getting smaller and we're getting closer to the final stage I think."

Q: Can you elaborate on the costs as much as you can? How much is the rebuilding costing and how much is the race fee?

DH: "One of the requirements was that Silverstone had a redeveloped pit and paddock complex. We have the plans to do that and we can fulfil that part of it because we have the assets at Silverstone. Part of the master plan involves selling off land and creating a revenue stream from that which would enable us to do the building work."

Q: Which would cost how much?

DH: "I can only give you a ballpark figure, because land values and property prices are always in a state of flux. If I was to say £30 million, that's the ballpark figure for the pit and paddock complex. That's to develop Silverstone and keep it as a premier motorsport venue, and also to fulfil one of the requests from FOM that we upgrade the circuit.

"So that puts us in a position to say, 'well, that bit's done'. The contract is also going to be an area of negotiation and is constantly being discussed."

Q: Just how difficult is it to negotiate with Bernie on the contract when he knows that emerging venues like Abu Dhabi are willing to pay top whack, whereas you guys can't match that?

DH: "I don't get involved in the negotiation with Bernie myself; I don't sit down across the table with Bernie. The BRDC are the asset holders – they own Silverstone. We act as trustees and our objective is to protect Silverstone for motorsport. The professional commercial body is Silverstone Holdings. It's split into two camps, one is the estate and the other is the circuits.

"So circuits basically are in charge of promoted events, one of which is the Grand Prix. Neil England has been our negotiator and his history is with Gallahers, and also he was also involved with Benson & Hedges when I was driving with Jordan. He has been also on one of the Formula One commissions, so he knows the sport. He is the man who is charged with the day-to-day negotiating with Bernie. It is better it is done that way. That has been going on for three years really.

"Bernie is very straightforward really. He says it is that much, and we say we have got this much. We have to act rationally and we cannot over extend ourselves because Silverstone is held in trust by the BRDC and we have to act as trustees and we can only go to a certain point.

"Beyond that point, then I am sorry there is no more leeway. It is a commercial operation and it cannot project into the future and hope that Lewis Hamilton is going to be around for another five years and leading the world championship. We have to give ourselves a margin as well.

Q. So even if the redevelopment is self-funding through the sell off of capital, you are still going to have a short fall because of the fees for the race. So are you going to need external funding, perhaps from the government?

DH: "No, we won't need that. We hope to be able to achieve an agreement that is to everyone's satisfaction, which will provide F1 with what it wants, and us with what we want. If there is an ambitious target and it gets to the point where there is no way to retain a grand prix, then there may be an appeal to the government.

"I can only say what my feelings are. I would argue the case for Silverstone to receive investment for the things we are trying to achieve here, as I think it would be good for the country and I think traditionally it has been a venue that does the UK good. It would put us in a strong position to retain the grand prix.

"But the argument that could the government conceivably make direct payments to an organisation that is apparently as well off as Formula One, and a private equity company, would seem to me to be a prickly pear to say the list."

Q. The FIA has made it clear in the last week or so that there are contracts in place between it and FOM to secure the place of the 'traditional races' – one of which is the British Grand Prix. Has there been any contact with the FIA on how strong this protection is, and is it something you can fall back on and rely on against Bernie?

DH: "We have to deal with the FIA through Silverstone holdings. We have to be an FIA homologated event. We have a new pit wall that was demanded by the FIA – so there is always a relationship with the FIA. The FIA is respected as the governing body of F1 and world motorsport and we are very interested in the concept of events being protected events.

"We certainly regard the British Grand Prix as an event that has been linked with Formula One since its inception and is historically devoted to motor sport and has a very strong relationship with F1 and the FIA.

"So we would regard ourselves as stakeholders in that sport. The politics are quite interesting at the moment, so that means that we have to avoid becoming embroiled in that, and tread carefully in getting engaged in a bit of a dispute at the moment about the ownership and running of F1. We would like to avoid the taking of sides in that one.

"The British GP is an important event globally. It is conceived as being an intrinsic part of F1, but things can change and I can see that too. But, if there was a way of it becoming a protected event that would be of interest – but we are certainly not relying on it."

Q. What is the deadline for sorting out a deal? The 2009 calendar was announced yesterday, so can it wait until this time next year?

DH: "I think realistically something has to be agreed before then. It is an interesting phase but it may well go down to this time next year. I cannot say."

Q. If you were putting a figure on it, could you say it was 50/50, 60/40?

DH: "I would say 50/50 was probably about right. I am not going to assume anything when it comes to F1. My experience is you should never make some presumptions, so it would be prudent to consider it in a 50/50 figure.

"But, I am 100 per cent confident that we have got what it will take and we can deliver what F1 will be proud of and the UK will be proud of."

Q. How important is Lewis Hamilton to the future of the race?

DH: "Very important. You cannot deny that, and for any grand prix to have a homegrown hero leading the championship is going to make a difference to the event. But I would not presume that because we have got Lewis Hamilton contending for the world championship, that that guarantees the future of the British Grand Prix."

Q. On that issue of uncertainty, is there a risk of you doing the development plans and Bernie then saying no to a deal?

DH: "I think we have to give him credit for something. He is someone who pushes hard for the best he can for the sport, and he is ready to accept when we have delivered. In the past he has said good things about Silverstone, and last year he said it had never looked better and he said some very positive things.

"Yes, he is a hard taskmaster but that gets the best out of people. So I think we do need sometimes to be shown an ambition, which actually we will feel better for when we achieve it. I don't think he will continually move the goalposts. It is always going to go up."
#52060
AAAAAARRGGHHHHH!!! Silverstone thread been hijacked by too many words :readit:
#52088
Eason at large: move the British Grand Prix to Donington, 'You having a laugh?'

Kevin Eason http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 191214.ece

Pity Bernie Ecclestone was in France watching Lewis Hamilton's travails this weekend. He should have stayed in Britain and tried punching the postcode DE74 2RP into the SatNav of his Mercedes and then taking a two-hour drive northwards up the M1 to Castle Donington. If he thinks the Magny Cours circuit is short on charisma to the extent that he is crossing it off the Formula One calendar, he should be here.

The diminutive maestro of Formula One is a notorious megaphone diplomat and dropping the bombshell the other day that he was negotiating to switch the nation's biggest motor racing event from Silverstone to Donington Park just two weeks before Silverstone opens its gates for the 2008 British Grand Prix was no surprise. But those of us who have been esconced in Donington this weekend for the MotoGP version of the British Grand Prix might be inclined to ask a serious of question of Mr Ecclestone by employing the comic catchphrase used by Ricky Gervais in his show, Extras: "You having a laugh?"

Has Ecclestone been to Donington Park recently? Blimey, even the MotoGP boys don't want to be here, from what I have been told at length.

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Silverstone is, admittedly, a little frayed around the edges and the British Racing Drivers' Club, which runs the place, have proved about as bright as a 20-watt bulb when it has come to negotiating with sport's ace dealmaker over the years. But things have changed: Damon Hill is now president and brings not only the energy and intelligence of a younger man to the role, he actually knows what he is talking about, having been the 1996 Formula One World Champion. Under his aegis, plans for a massive refit to turn Silverstone into the headquarters of British motor racing, not just Formula One, have already been given the green light.

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So, Ecclestone has a choice: stick with the historic home of the British Grand Prix at Silverstone, where the first grand prix of the modern era ran in 1950, or move it lock, stock and palatial motorhomes to Donington. Ooh, that's a good idea. Now, let's see: yes, the only way into Donington is on single-carriageway roads. Better still, the A453 runs right past the front door of East Midlands Airport. So when the grand prix turns up in its traditional July date, there won't be any problem getting 100,000 spectators in while the tourists are queueing up on the same piece of road to catch their Ryanair flight to Malaga or wherever, will there?

Oh, and then there are the magnificent facilities, such as the Paddock Cafe Bar, a sort of shed with chips. Or the perimeter gravel tracks that lead to grass car parks in fields that slope alarmingly. Can't wait for the downpour that turns that lot into a mudslide. Or the miniscule pits complex, not too bad for slimline motorcycles, but for grand prix teams with cars and 50 mechanics to a garage? But then, tens of thousands of spectators will be able to sink back into their sumptuous grandstand seats to watch Lewis Hamilton et al, happily sheltered from the elements. At least, they could if there was anything that looked like a sumptuous seat in anything like a grandstand.

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Donington Ventures, who run the Donington circuit under the flightpath of East Midlands Airport, are ready to spend and spend big, says Ecclestone. Good, so this lot will be solved by 2010, by which time Silverstone will have lost its grand prix contract and Donington will be gagging to take over. Well, they must have a King's Ransom and a time machine.

Even if work started right now, this minute, there is no way that Donington would be ready to hold a race in 2010. And it would cost huge money - start with £50 million and work up. For a start, planning consents would have to be won for everything from building work on the circuit to a huge, new roads system that would obviously be demanded by Ecclestone. After all, he demanded the same of Silverstone and now there is dual-carriageway all the way to the front gates, courtesy of a funding from a Labour government that thought it had already helped lay the foundations for the home of British motor racing.

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The most likely outcome of these shenanigans is that Britain simply loses its grand prix. Ecclestone just doesn't know how to deliver the bad news - yet. He did admit to Ed Gorman, our motor racing correspondent, that the chances of keeping Britain on the calendar were only 50:50. Make that 90:10 against as Ecclestone is forced to take his responsibilities as an employee of CVC Capital Partners seriously.

They own Formula One, Ecclestone runs it. They spent a fortune buying F1 and they want their money back, plus profits. After all, that's what they do for a living. And the big money comes from the flashy new races in the Middle and Far East, where ambitious governments are happy to underwrite the costs of new circuits and pay CVC fees so enormous - as much as £30 million - that they would sink Silverstone overnight. Even now, the £11 million basic fee Ecclestone is charging the BRDC for this year's race means Silverstone will struggle to break even.

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Ecclestone knows he will unleash a storm in Formula One if he pulls his circus from Silverstone. Six of the ten Formula One teams are based within an hour of the Northamptonshire track - Force India are right across the road.

And somehow, I get the feeling that Ecclestone does not really want to ditch a race and a circuit so close to his heart. For goodness sake, he even raced at Silverstone as a Formula One tyro. But this is all about tactics, so hold on for weeks now of "will it, won't it" stories as Ecclestone, the FIA and Silverstone dig their trenches for the fight ahead. Actually, come to think about it: don't bother driving up here Bernie. Just get on with making a British Grand Prix at Silverstone the centrepiece of the British sporting year, just as it deserves to be.
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