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USA GP to be delayed to 2013

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I have read such news in a site.Ecclestone said that the firm had a problem itself.

http://www.motorsport.com/all/news/f1-r ... =1&v=2&s=1

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Well if it is then maybe Turkey can step in :P
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Bummer. But that'll make 2013 interesting with two completely new US GP's.
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I will wait to hear something from other sources too first... that article seems very rumour based to me.
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Think this article has twisted Bernies words, he said this in regards to India. He said He had his doubts about India a couple months out but they delivered.

Bernie Ecclestone says he is "very, very happy" with the Indian Grand Prix organisers after a successful opening race.

The inaugural grand prix was deemed a success by the teams, drivers and media despite a number of teething problems and the circuit only being fully completed in the week preceding the race. The biggest compliment for the organisers, however, is likely to be from Ecclestone, who said there were only small aspects that needed to be improved for 2012.

"I'm very, very happy with it, and everybody else is as well," Ecclestone is quoted by Sporting Life. "We've nothing to complain about it. There are bits and pieces they (circuit owners the Jaypee Group) can do, but this is a prototype, so I'm sure they'll get down and have a good look at everything. They'll see there are things they could improve on, and I'm sure they will improve them."

Asked if he had been nervous that the circuit would not be ready, Ecclestone admitted it had been a slight concern.

"A little bit. I thought it wasn't going to get completed. But I kept seeing photographs every day, and it was improving. In the end we had a super crowd. If you had mentioned Formula One to these people (the fans) three years ago they would not have known what you were talking about. But it was a great crowd, a great atmosphere. Normally you get people complaining when there is something wrong, but I haven't heard any complaints about anything."

With the next new venue scheduled to be the Circuit of Americas in Austin, Texas, Ecclestone also allayed fears that the USGP organisers were having financial difficulties, while saying that he was prepared to push the race's debut back a year if it couldn't match India's example.

"I don't think they're struggling. I just think there has been a bit of a disagreement inside the company ... If you'd said to me a month ago: 'Is India 100 per cent going to happen,' I would have said: 'I don't know.' So ask me again a month before the race is due to be on ... We can have it next year or the year after. It's not the end of the world."

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It's not the end of the world


This is part of the 2012 doomsday prophecy
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They did say in the article at last weekends GP that it was going to be very close as to weather it would be done or not.
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Doesn't seem it's been properly confirmed or anything yet though...
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McLaren wrote:They did say in the article at last weekends GP that it was going to be very close as to weather it would be done or not.


Yep, Dc's report showed it as being just a dirt track still. When you compare this with how far along our Olympics stadium is...
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Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I also think it likely is a management squabble. Tilke has responded to this story saying the construction is on schedule. Ineptitude as an F1 circuit designer aside, I have not noted him to be as prone to hyperbole as is His Bernieness.

A couple of months ago, the local Austin newspaper reported the Texas state comptroller had taken the extraordinary measure of of directly contacting Bernie regarding who held authority to speak on behalf of the F1 race (I posted the article in another thread here ...somewhere). Being as Bernie has no role in the construction (or management) of the circuit itself, that would lead one to believe the comptroller was concerned about the state recouping its investment in the circuit. One of the possibilities her action raised was that there was a mutiny brewing against Tavo Hellmund, or perhaps the "power structure" he had installed.

And now Bernie has let the cat out of the bag.






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racechick wrote:Well if it is then maybe Turkey can step in :P


Yeah,in the website i read this ,the title for the news was :''Hopes havent faded away for Turkish GP.'' I hope so but it doenst seem possible at all.Plus,this looks just like a rumor but who knows.

Btw Bernie doesnt believe in the 2012 thing since he says:'Its not the end of the world' :D
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FORMULA 1 UPDATE
Insider squabbles, flapping lips: Is Austin's Formula 1 U.S. Grand Prix in trouble?
By John Flood
11.06.11 | 08:00 am

There have been mixed messages concerning the U.S. Grand Prix in Austin this week coming from the mouths of people who should be “in the know” about the event. As the year’s racing schedules near the end, the “silly season” begins and rumors start to fly. Most concern driver’s contracts, racing sponsors, technical partnerships, etc.; but, the rumors also include racing schedules and circuit contracts with the sanctioning bodies.

Formula 1 events are sanctioned by Formula One Management (FOM), and FOM is run by Bernie Ecclestone. Bernie has effectively controlled the commercial aspects of F1 since 1978 when he earned the rights to sell television contracts for the many Grand Prix's.

Bernie negotiated the 10 year contract for the United States Grand Prix in Austin with long-time friend and Austin native Tavo Hellmund, CEO of Full Throttle Productions. The two have known each other for more than 30 years. As a teenager, Tavo spent some time in Europe in the '80’s working for Ecclestone’s Brabham F1 team. During those years, Brazilian Nelson Piquet won two Driver’s championship (1981, 1983) for Brabham.

Tavo recruited investors Red McCombs (McCombs Automotive Group) and Bobby Epstein (Prophet Capital) as well as others who are unidentified. The group secured the property for the Circuit of the Americas, contracted Herman Tilke to design the circuit, hired Austin Commercial and others to build the circuit and set about their business of promoting the US Grand Prix.

The group faced the usual planning and permitting issues along the way, but overcame most obstacles and began construction around the middle of January, 2011. Construction progress is steady and the landscape is beginning to take on the shape of the circuit. Everything is looking just fine.

But recently, rumors began to circulate about the Austin F1 event. The first bit of news concerned the announcement that Bernie had signed a contract for a second U.S. race on the waterfront of the Hudson River in Weehawken, New Jersey, a site with striking views of the Manhattan skyline. The announcement came as a surprise to many people, as New Jersey had failed several attempts to secure a deal. The announcement may also have spooked some investors involved with the Austin project who questioned whether or not the Jersey deal might erode the value of the Austin USGP.

Tavo didn’t appear to be too concerned as he was one of the first to publicly congratulate the New Jersey effort. "I want to extend my congratulations to Leo [Hindery] and his team, as I know how much work they have put into making this happen," said Hellmund. "When I walked the site a few years ago, the site's potential was obvious.

"I am excited for the East Coast and feel Tuesday's announcement is yet another acknowledgement of the viability, fan interest, economic benefits and prestige an F1 Grand Prix event brings to a region.

"New Jersey and Texas, nearly 2,000 miles apart, offer unique and very different fan experiences destined to not only raise the visibility of the sport in this country, but also increase the global attraction and US support of these world-class events.

"These two regions are going to be terrific backdrops for the world's most advanced form of racing."

Then a few days after the New Jersey announcement, Bernie opened his big mouth, as he is known to do, and created a stir when he said there were “problems in Austin.” Ecclestone reportedly informed team bosses during the Indian GP that there are minor question marks about the race in Austin. "I don't think they are struggling [with building the track] at all," he explained. "I think there has been a disagreement inside the company."

Well, thanks a lot Bernie. Ecclestone managed to say just enough to create a huge rumor, but not enough to give anyone any real idea what he was taking about. Three time driver’s champion and F1 ambassador Jackie Stewart also had a comment on the US Grand Prix's. "I think it [New Jersey GP] is great, but I am a little bit confused, there seems to be a sudden silence about Austin," said Stewart in India on Thursday. "I haven't heard a word about Austin for months now. I am assuming that it is still very much on, but you would have thought with only 12 months to go there would be something going on”.

My, my, another well-known big mouth chimes in and provides no facts but does manage to fan the flames. I respect Jackie a lot, I have met him several times, and he has done great things for F1, but please!

Meanwhile, architect Herman Tilke had a few comments of his own about the Austin circuit. His engineering and architectural team has been working very hard on the circuit for well over a year. Some rumors started a few months ago when construction slowed to a crawl. The slowdown was blamed on the early completion of the site’s “dirt work,” but others in the rumor mill said that there was a cash flow problem and squabbles inside the management team, possibly including investors.

The questions intensified when Tavo reportedly inquired of the State Comptroller’s Office regarding a change of management and the effect that change would have on the $25 million special events funding from the state. But, this week Tilke said the circuit construction was on schedule and things were going well. "We are working on it," he told Autosport. "There are a couple of hundred workers on the site, a lot of machines, and everything is on schedule up to now."

All of these rumors may be true, or none of them may be true. I have been unable to confirm any of the rumors out of Austin regarding the management team or the investors. Rumors are commonplace in F1, and sometimes they do carry some truth. As an advocate of the Austin GP, I certainly hope that these rumors are just that, rumors.
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Re: Trouble brewing for Austin's F1 circuit?

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And trouble it is.

Bernie has given the owner of the Austin circuit and Tavo Hellmund a month to bury the hatchet and sign a contract or he will de-schedule the 2012 race there.

Details at The Austin Statesman, Autoweek and The Pit Pass.
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How much money does the average Formula 1 weekend race bring in from sale of admission tickets?
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We have New Jersey in 2013.
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