Renault have out-developed Merc

By rejecting the extra development Ferrari and Horner stifled competition

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Re: Renault have out-developed Merc

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Sagi, sagi, sagi, dont be in such a hurry to capitulate, hang in there, make some wise cracks, obfuscate things a little, allow us the chance to rough you up a little. So far your saving grace is that you are generous with your ""good sport"" iness. - Yes you always start reporting and complaining behind the scenes to the feds, but its still marginally more sport for us than the F1 fan yardsticks who flounce off and return with new ids to bank the "benefit of doubt" complimentary pass, before turning round and assuming the position for another """interaction""" :thumbup:

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Re: Renault have out-developed Merc

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sagi58 wrote:
sagi58 wrote:Mercedes won't allow it. So, they "need" the buffer of not allowing other teams to catch up?
As far as I'm concerned, this is as close to cheating within the rules as you can get.


Did I call them cheats? NO, I did not.
Did I say it was close to cheating within the rules? (oxymoron)
Yes, I did. It's a VERY fine line.


So you believe that their can be cheating within the rules ?, (not just an oxymoron but also moronic) but your statement "this is as close to cheating" is not calling Mercedes cheats ?

If I said "I think you are as close to stupid as you can get" would you think I was calling you stupid ?
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I feel I have to speak up for sagi here

She could only answer that question correctly if she wasnt too stupid to misunderstand it :P
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Ichabod wrote:
sagi58 wrote:
sagi58 wrote:Mercedes won't allow it. So, they "need" the buffer of not allowing other teams to catch up?
As far as I'm concerned, this is as close to cheating within the rules as you can get.


Did I call them cheats? NO, I did not.
Did I say it was close to cheating within the rules? (oxymoron)
Yes, I did. It's a VERY fine line.


So you believe that their can be cheating within the rules ?, (not just an oxymoron but also moronic) but your statement "this is as close to cheating" is not calling Mercedes cheats ?


Being the dissenting team when it came to unfreezing the development rules is NOT altruistic,
as we are being led to believe. I would suggest to you that it's not "just" about keeping costs
down, in F1. It's also about holding on to a good thing, while they can.

I don't think that's fair, considering the majority of teams wanted the opposite. Is it cheating?
NOT directly. Is it being unfair? Yes, I believe so. Would Ferrari do the same thing in the same
situation? Probably. Would Ferrari be called "cheats" if the shoe were on the other foot? Yes!

Hopefully, that clears up my comment. If not, there's no more I can say.
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CookinFlat6 wrote:I feel I have to speak up for sagi here...

Thanks!! What a lovely surprise!! You are actually such a sweet soul underneath, after all, eh?

CookinFlat6 wrote:...She could only answer that question correctly if she wasnt too stupid to misunderstand it :P

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Re: Renault have out-developed Merc

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You didnt address the little matter of lying about mentioning cheats

And you still do not have a clue about what you talk about

are you fkn mad?

what does this even mean?

sagi58 wrote:I don't think that's fair, considering the majority of teams wanted the opposite. Is it cheating?


the majority of teams wanted what?? name these teams

everyone bar Ferrari and Red Bull just voted (a democratic vote, no unanimous vote needed) to keep the rules exactly as they are, AND there is no engine ""freeze"" anymore, Ferrari found a loophole to float the homologation date, so Merc were OVERRIDDEN and the date unfrozen.

Name the teams that want the opposite

sagi58 wrote: So, they "need" the buffer of not allowing other teams to catch up?
As far as I'm concerned, this is as close to cheating within the rules as you can get.


Ok so they NO LONGER HAVE THIS BUFFER - the other teams are allowed to catch up, everythings fair and good now???

Why not show us you have even an eight of a clue about these statements you made - what is wrong with the competition?
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Re: Renault have out-developed Merc

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CookinFlat6 wrote:You didnt address the little matter of lying about mentioning cheats



Why such sensitivity about this I wonder? Anyway the international media has covered this territory already wrt Mercedes. Maybe you should talk to them first!

A few headlines!

Mercedes Bent? Lewis Hamilton's team facing potential cheat ban over tyre tests
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1 ... ns-1914883

'Underhand' Mercedes may face cheat ban over secret tyre test
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-un ... st-1840012

And in their corporate dealings the media has also pointed out certain Merc tendencies.

Daimler agrees to pay $185m after admitting bribery
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8600241.stm

Mercedes named top cheater on Europe's fuel economy test
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/09/merc ... nomy-test/

Leading European truckmakers operated cartel for 14 years -FT
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102292895

Daimler Sets Aside $748 Million Over E.U. Inquiry Into Truck Makers
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/busin ... .html?_r=0

This seems like a moot point cookin so why waste another 10 pages on here of jumping up and down on such a negative topic.

Maybe just call it a day! Racing, such as it is, is just around the corner. :wink:
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overboost wrote:
CookinFlat6 wrote:You didnt address the little matter of lying about mentioning cheats



Why such sensitivity about this I wonder? Anyway the international media has covered this territory already wrt Mercedes. Maybe you should talk to them first!

A few headlines!

Mercedes Bent? Lewis Hamilton's team facing potential cheat ban over tyre tests
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1 ... ns-1914883

'Underhand' Mercedes may face cheat ban over secret tyre test
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-un ... st-1840012

And in their corporate dealings the media has also pointed out certain Merc tendencies.

Daimler agrees to pay $185m after admitting bribery
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8600241.stm

Mercedes named top cheater on Europe's fuel economy test
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/09/merc ... nomy-test/

Leading European truckmakers operated cartel for 14 years -FT
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102292895

Daimler Sets Aside $748 Million Over E.U. Inquiry Into Truck Makers
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/busin ... .html?_r=0

This seems like a moot point cookin so why waste another 10 pages on here of jumping up and down on such a negative topic.

Maybe just call it a day! Racing, such as it is, is just around the corner. :wink:




You seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to support Sagi's assertion that Mercedes are cheats, I wonder why that is?
And what do we have? We have a sensationalist headline from the daily mirror ( :hehe: ) whereby Horner ( :hehe: :hehe:) says he thinks Mercedes have been 'underhand' . Horner? The mirror? Is that the best you can do?

Then a load of articles about mercedes trucks and how to get around fuel economy tests. What's that got to do with MercedesAMGF1? Oh and some of the articles are duplicate topics.
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Can we get back on topic please!

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Yes,Renault has out developed Merc so I look forward to Merc getting thrashed come Melbourne. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: Renault have out-developed Merc

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That's not what is being said Hammer, just closing the gap to Mercedes would still be out developing them.

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I'm aware of that though I just brought it back to topic as well as helping to raise hope for the haters/anti-Merc barrack. 2 birds
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Well done :-)

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