- 03 Feb 14, 02:24#390280
I kinow the drinks thing sounds like a prejudiced cliche. However there is some substantial truth in it as RBR are finding out now.
If they were a car company they would have their own engines so being a drinks company relegates them to being customers.
I reckon a dedicated racing company like Williams would not have gone into this year without a tight works team deal, why not? because FW knows exactly what a works deal is and what isnt
Red Bull are either naive or arrogant in telling everyone and assuming they were the old school definition of works team, like McLaren will be fo at least a year with Honda and as Williams were with BMW. If they were a racing team they would have realised the importance of designing the chassis and engine in tandem, or at least desining the chassis around the engine.
They receivd their engine AFTER Caterham, they received an engine then plumbed it into the car and the first time that engine was run in an actual F1 car was after deleivery to customers.
Thats a pure customer deal, RBR are not a works team, comercially they might have a relationship that sounds like a works deal, but they are just a customer, and as McLaren, Williams, Sauber and all the other garagistas have found when the engines are important, you gotta have a works deal with the best engines. Cosworth is not an option
Also I mentioned a brain drain of engineers - its a fact
Caterhams car works better than RBRs, both had the same access to Renaults spec and data
does this sound like a guy from a racing background who has been in F1 as long as FW or Ron?
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That post was not aimed at you CF just the drinks thing annoys me in general
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I kinow the drinks thing sounds like a prejudiced cliche. However there is some substantial truth in it as RBR are finding out now.
If they were a car company they would have their own engines so being a drinks company relegates them to being customers.
I reckon a dedicated racing company like Williams would not have gone into this year without a tight works team deal, why not? because FW knows exactly what a works deal is and what isnt
Red Bull are either naive or arrogant in telling everyone and assuming they were the old school definition of works team, like McLaren will be fo at least a year with Honda and as Williams were with BMW. If they were a racing team they would have realised the importance of designing the chassis and engine in tandem, or at least desining the chassis around the engine.
They receivd their engine AFTER Caterham, they received an engine then plumbed it into the car and the first time that engine was run in an actual F1 car was after deleivery to customers.
Thats a pure customer deal, RBR are not a works team, comercially they might have a relationship that sounds like a works deal, but they are just a customer, and as McLaren, Williams, Sauber and all the other garagistas have found when the engines are important, you gotta have a works deal with the best engines. Cosworth is not an option
Also I mentioned a brain drain of engineers - its a fact
The team's problems came in the wake of Red Bull losing several key staff.
Chief aerodynamicist Peter Prodromou is now with McLaren while head of vehicle dynamics Mark Ellis and chief simulation engineer Giles Wood both switched to Mercedes.
Mateschitz, though, denies their departures have affected the team.
"The current problems arose from the engine side and not from our team, which still has the high-level know-how it needs," he told Autosport.
The Austrian added that Red Bull expected to have some troubles in Jerez given the huge changes to the regulations that include the introduction of a V6 turbo engine.
"These teething problems came as no big surprise," said the 69-year-old.
Caterhams car works better than RBRs, both had the same access to Renaults spec and data
does this sound like a guy from a racing background who has been in F1 as long as FW or Ron?
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