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[CookinFlat6]

There is obviously a lot of speculation about 2014 which brings possibly the biggest year to year change in F1s history, mainly because of the power unit, fuel restrictions and restrictions on aero.

I am interested to know what anyone brave enough to call it right now on the limited info available thinks. But to make it interesting lets say we do a relative value call by picking a pair of teams that we think will show the biggest combined change in standing

So pick the 2 teams that you think will move forward and fall back relatively. We can then look at this a year from now and use the points table to see who guessed closest.

I think Merc will make the largest positive gain and I think RBR will make the largest relative negative loss. I considered Williams making a big gain but have to go with Merc because of what they did this year and because they have the same engine. I think Ferrari might fall back but I think RBR has a bigger fall back if they do falter

So Merc-RBR for me, and its not just wishful thinking because this thread will be here a year from now

[Jabberwocky]

Marussia and RBR for me.

[sagi58]

...So pick the 2 teams that you think will move forward and fall back relatively...

Can't!! As soon as the words are out of my mouth, it's the kiss of death!!

[CookinFlat6]

Marussia and RBR for me.

Yes one of the smallest teams could make the biggest relative leap forward. Still havent heard anything from the Ferrari engine though

[Roth]

Red Bull to be 4 seconds ahead instead of two. Marussia to be lapped on the parade lap.

[CookinFlat6]

Marussia could run out of petrol on the formation lap

[Jabberwocky]

:rofl:

Marussia could run out of petrol on the formation lap

at least the car was that unreliable at the time that it could not reach the end of the race (or fuel load).

[Ferrari man 009]

Biggest gainers - Mercedes: I have a feeling they will dominate next season (lets just hope Lewis and Nico are allowed to race - if not the title could be over early again)

Biggest losers - Red Bull: The new regulations have gone more towards Engine performance and having a good KERS (or ERS, as it'll be called next season) - While the engine may be ok, Red Bull have never had reliable KERS systems in the last 3 years. While it was only worth a few tenths in the last year or two, which they covered because of they're pure pace, it will cost them far more should it be unreliable next season!

[What's Burning?]

Besides the usual comments, I think Williams will see a big bounce. They gain a Mercedes power plant and they ditch all firms of blown rears which has been their weakness especially this year.

Any early early hint notes from Pirelli about the direction of next year's rubber?

[Ferrari man 009]

Any early early hint notes from Pirelli about the direction of next year's rubber?

No, but as soon as Red Bull build a car that cant look after them they'll make sure Pirelli change them to suit on "safety grounds"

[LewEngBridewell]

All I hope is that McLaren make some gains!

[What's Burning?]

All I hope is that McLaren make some gains!

It would be very difficult for McLaren to lose any more ground. Their worst has to start at neutral at least.

[Hammer278]

Ferrari to go backwards since their experience in V6s are almost nil and they have been the quietest so far on the engine front, Merc to go forwards since they started 2013 already thinking of 2014, and also the ones who pushed for the change to V6s. Redbull is a question mark for me since Renault have quietly given the necessary performance, being an engine which has lower consumption and the best traction/drivability out of corners.

Lotus will depend on the Renault engine as well but I don't see how they can beat Redbull with the same engine, so the main protagonists for 2014 are Ferrari, Redbull and Mercedes again. The rest will be chipping for points.

[Jabberwocky]

My worry for Merc next year is that they have too many cooks that spoil the broth. It is all down to how well Ross Brawn can co-ordinate all the efforts

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[CookinFlat6]

My worry for Merc next year is that they have too many cooks that spoil the broth. It is all down to how well Ross Brawn can co-ordinate all the efforts

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Ouch, a bit harsh