The Sportscar Thread: LMS & ALMS etc.

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I don't get the point of this. It's basically laid out like a drag racing car...
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The statement is to learn how to make very efficient race cars so Nissan can benefit and put that technology into their production cars. I don't see how they'll project THAT shape into a five passenger family sedan.
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What doeds everyone think of the FIA WEC?
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Jabberwocky wrote:What doeds everyone think of the FIA WEC?



Audi has big cojones. :cloud9:
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What's Burning? wrote:The statement is to learn how to make very efficient race cars so Nissan can benefit and put that technology into their production cars. I don't see how they'll project THAT shape into a five passenger family sedan.


Single file... :hehe:

I can't imagine that layout having a good turn in, be interesting to see how it goes.
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Yeah that Delta Wing will understeer like a truck. It should be sodding quick on the straights though, shame it's not the old Le Mans layout without the chicanes...

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Jabberwocky wrote:What doeds everyone think of the FIA WEC?



Audi has big cojones. :cloud9:


How so?
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scotty wrote:Yeah that Delta Wing will understeer like a truck. It should be sodding quick on the straights though, shame it's not the old Le Mans layout without the chicanes...

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Jabberwocky wrote:What doeds everyone think of the FIA WEC?



Audi has big cojones. :cloud9:


How so?


There's no question they mopped the floor with Peugeot last year. There's no question they dominated the class for the better part of a decade and in my opinion pound for pound more direct improvements to street cars come from the sports car prototype genre than from F1.
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I do agree with the LMP/road car correlation, i agree entirely. F1 only really offers aerodynamics to road cars now, LMP gives so much more in terms of engine technology. However, i dunno, Audi bitched in the past when engine performance measures were taken... something that has been part of sports cars for years, i dunno what else they expected.

Personally i'm rooting for Toyota this season, specifically Davidson's car :)
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What's Burning? wrote:
scotty wrote:Yeah that Delta Wing will understeer like a truck. It should be sodding quick on the straights though, shame it's not the old Le Mans layout without the chicanes...

What's Burning? wrote:
Jabberwocky wrote:What doeds everyone think of the FIA WEC?



Audi has big cojones. :cloud9:


How so?


There's no question they mopped the floor with Peugeot last year. There's no question they dominated the class for the better part of a decade and in my opinion pound for pound more direct improvements to street cars come from the sports car prototype genre than from F1.


apart from Le Mans, I thought Peugeot dominated the the season.
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BREAKING NEWS

ALMS and Grand-Am to merge. http://www.grand-am.com/

I think that this is great news as both of the series were floundering here, one for lack of televised coverage and the other for lack of diversity. Hopefully this marriage will keep the best aspects of both of series.
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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (Sept. 5, 2012) – The most significant development in the history of sports car racing in North America was announced today, with plans for a landmark merger of GRAND-AM Road Racing and the American Le Mans Series (ALMS) unveiled at Daytona International Speedway.

Under terms of the merger, the following entities will combine with GRAND-AM: the American Le Mans Series; the International Motor Sports Association, which sanctions ALMS events; the Road Atlanta race track facility in Braselton, Ga.; the Chateau Elan Hotel and Conference Center in Sebring, Fla.; and Sebring International Raceway, via a reassignment of the lease agreement with the Sebring Airport Authority to operate the raceway.

Both sanctioning bodies will continue to operate separate schedules in 2013 before racing under one banner in 2014 beginning with North America’s premier sports car race, the 52nd annual Rolex 24 At Daytona. A board of directors has been formed to operate the new combined organization with GRAND-AM founder Jim France as chairman and ALMS founder Don Panoz as vice chairman. Other members: NASCAR Vice Chair/Executive Vice President Lesa France Kennedy, GRAND-AM President/CEO Ed Bennett, ALMS President/CEO Scott Atherton and NASCAR Vice President/Deputy General Counsel Karen Leetzow.

“Today’s announcement will transform sports car racing on this continent, along with having world-wide industry implications,” said Bennett. “Aside from the organizations involved, everybody wins: drivers, teams, manufacturers, sponsors, tracks – and most all, the fans.

“This new approach is going to be revolutionary, as we take the best components from two premium brands, combine them and then benefit mutually from the considerable resources both sides will bring to our efforts. This is a bold move – and the right one – for the long-term, optimum growth of sports car racing.”

Added Atherton: “This merger will blend the best assets and attributes of each organization in terms of technical rules, officiating, marketing, communications, personnel, scheduling and broadcasting. The result will be one of the strongest, most competitive and powerful motorsports marketing platforms in the world.”

Post-merger branding still is being determined for the new organization and its principal series, as are specifics regarding the 2014 schedule. Also, the competitive class structure and technical rules beginning in 2014 have yet to be finalized.

The ALMS began operations in 1999, with GRAND-AM debuting in 2000. Both organizations were created in the aftermath of the late-’90s departure of the highly popular IMSA Camel GT circuit in North America. IMSA was founded in 1969 by John Bishop and then-NASCAR President Bill France Sr.

“This merger will strengthen professional sports car racing beyond what either of our organizations could have achieved separately,” said Panoz. “The American Le Mans Series was founded for the fans and I’m personally gratified that they will benefit greatly as we now work together with GRAND-AM to take this sport to the level at which it belongs in the North American and international motorsports landscapes.”

France said the merger was exciting both “on a professional and a personal level, with me being a long-time sports car fan. This merger was achieved through a true spirit of cooperation. Moving forward, that same spirit will drive our day-to-day efforts.”Collectively, this merger involves a total of eight sports car series racing throughout North America. GRAND-AM sanctions and operates the Rolex Sports Car Series, the Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge and the TOTAL Performance Showcase. GRAND-AM also sanctions the Ferrari Challenge that is operated by Ferrari North America. IMSA is the sanctioning body for the ALMS, the IMSA GT3 Cup Challenge by Yokohama Series, the Cooper Tires Prototype Lites Powered by Mazda Series and the Porsche GT3 Cup Challenge Canada by Michelin.

“This looks good from a business standpoint but it also ‘feels good’ from a historical standpoint,” Bennett said. “Both GRAND-AM and the ALMS have lineages tied to Daytona Beach, Daytona International Speedway and the France Family. This announcement is a proud moment for all involved, as we now look forward to a bright future for sports car racing.”
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Yeah, good move this, looking forward to seeing how it plays out with running the cars together on track, the classes, etc.
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So watching this clip, you have to ask... is the delta wing just too unstable for racing? This roll over wouldn't have happened with a car that had a normal width front end axle. Looking at it, it seemed like a hip check with some traded paint, is all should have happened.
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I see what you're aiming for, but don't forget that this was a high speed crash + the corner contributed to that as well.
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Just ran across an interesting bit of news.
An email from Flying Lyzard sent out this morning;
October 26, 2012 – Sonoma, CA – Seth Neiman, Flying Lizard team principal said: "I and the entire Flying Lizard family would like to thank Porsche for their support and partnership over the last nine years. Together we have worked hard and have learned to rely on each other in critical moments, of which there have been many throughout our 100 races and multiple GT championships. Joerg Bergmeister, Patrick Long, Hartmut Kristen, Jens Walther, Uwe Brettel, Alwin Springer, Roland Kussmaul, Hans-Georg Breuer and many others at Porsche get our special thanks, along with the numerous Porsche employees and affiliates in Germany, Atlanta and Southern California who have been an integral part of our team, and with whom we have become close friends. Flying Lizard remains committed to sports car racing, and we look forward to announcing details of our 2013 racing program later this year."


It would appear that we'll see some partnerships dissolving other perhaps forming but the 997 for the 2013 season will be painful without factory support given the following Porsche statement about future development the 991 and the ALMS/Grand-Am merger.

Porsche ALMS 2013 announcement

It makes sense form a financial ROI standpoint but unless regulations can be nudged in favor of the Porsche 997, next year will be a tough transition year for Porsche teams.
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