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#280297
Its been in my head all day. i cant stop thinking about it.

Same here... It's just such a feeling of unbelieve, and the occassional choking up. The bizareness, the severity of the accident, the young family he leaves behind... :cry::cry::cry:
#280308
Having watched the footage that is one of the worst accidents I have ever seen. Its a miracle some of the other drivers weren't killed. For Dan to have got caught up in other peoples accidents is even more gutting.
#280322
Just a horrific crash....so sad for his family and friends.

Very humbling, re minds us just how dangerous this game is. Will make me a bit conscious of what I'm doing next time put my helmet on...........
#280324
As with racechick, I have not been able to stop thinking about it at work.

Whilst the safety net directly contributed to Dan Wheldon's death, it certainly prevented deaths in the crowd. I can't seem to find any pics of the how the car looked when it came to a stop - how badly disintegrated it was - becauase if it was a roll-hoop failure, then that seriously needs to be investigated if it is a flaw in the design - but looking at some of the photos I think the whole car just seemed to disintegrate.

It also readjusts my thinking about "racing around in circles." :(

Now how do I get it out of my head?
#280344
I also havent been able to stop thinking about this. Possibly because he is a fellow Brit and has a young family.
As for pictures of the car, it may be a while before they start to emerge, but looking at some of the shots that can be found of the car coming back off the barrier, the right way up, it looked like the cockpit was still attached to the engine bay and just one of the wheels remained attached to the car. His helmet was still on but curiously his visor had lifted up a bit. Having seen how the car collided cockpit first into the catch fence and hearing about unsurvivable injuries, seeing that his helmet was still on was some small mercy.
Also, considering the number of times the car rolled and things it hit, the roll hoop was probably stressed beyond the normal crash safety tests anyway. Like F1 had to do since Senna was killed, I think oval circuits will have to look at their safety measures in regards to concrete barriers and catch fencing.
Ironically it seems Dan had been testing the new car safety regs this year that are being brought in next season in Indycar.
#280345
It's not so much the oval circuits that are the problem. It's the cars runing at stupidly high speeds with next to no downforce and a huge field (34 cars) that gives no room for error at all. In this instance it seems that a huge contributing factor is that the track was too small for that number of cars going at the speeds they do. A small mistake by 1 driver took out about 40% of the field with 1 fatality. Not good enough at all. Had this been on a larger circuit I doubt this crash would have been as bad as it was.
#280346
Unfortunately all the downforce in the world wouldn't have stopped this crash. The major flaw of the open wheeler is when wheels touch wheels, cars take flight. This even goes for karting, most high end kart suits have protection for your shoulder and back for when a kart flys onto the back of you.
I think IRL should only run on the big ovals like Indy, but even there this can happen, it's the mix of open wheel, ovals with no run off that kills.
#280372
Whilst im in totaly symphathy to him and those around him, and agree on the safety standards alwaus improving, it doesnt not retract from the reoccuring fact that is, motorsport is dangerous, as even the great Murray Walker said on Sennas death

"Its not the first, and its certainly not the last", the sport we love is a dangerous game ladies and gents, just reminds us of the respect we should have for those lauching themselves around streets at 170 mph.
#280487
Unfortunately all the downforce in the world wouldn't have stopped this crash. The major flaw of the open wheeler is when wheels touch wheels, cars take flight. This even goes for karting, most high end kart suits have protection for your shoulder and back for when a kart flys onto the back of you.
I think IRL should only run on the big ovals like Indy, but even there this can happen, it's the mix of open wheel, ovals with no run off that kills.

I agree that IRL should no longer run small oval tracks and all open wheel series need to place safety first, then worry about 1/10th second gain in lap time. The 2012 designs for F1 and IRL are set but all open wheel series need to take second look at cockpit canopy and chassis design to prevent wheel to wheel contact. The F-16 cockpit canopy/with survival cell has been used in Unlimited Hydroplane racing for past 25 years without any fatalites.
#280500
Unfortunately all the downforce in the world wouldn't have stopped this crash. The major flaw of the open wheeler is when wheels touch wheels, cars take flight. This even goes for karting, most high end kart suits have protection for your shoulder and back for when a kart flys onto the back of you.
I think IRL should only run on the big ovals like Indy, but even there this can happen, it's the mix of open wheel, ovals with no run off that kills.

I agree that IRL should no longer run small oval tracks and all open wheel series need to place safety first, then worry about 1/10th second gain in lap time. The 2012 designs for F1 and IRL are set but all open wheel series need to take second look at cockpit canopy and chassis design to prevent wheel to wheel contact. The F-16 cockpit canopy/with survival cell has been used in Unlimited Hydroplane racing for past 25 years without any fatalites.


Indeed, and discussions have already been reignited about covered cockpits in F1 in light of this accident.
#280889
A typical feminine response (I said feminine, not female). Men are raised with a mindset of risk management. Women are raised with the mindset of risk avoidance. The difference is the difference between living in thatched huts and living in skyscrapers, the difference between taking a horse and buggy to grandma's and taking a rocket to the moon.

Why Dan Wheldon's Death Should Mean the End of Auto Racing
# October 18, 2011 • 11:00 am PDT

Twenty-four hours before Sunday’s IndyCar World Championships in Las Vegas, star driver Dan Wheldon told USA Today he was having a rough weekend. Wheldon was irritated because his car was having trouble maintaining speed, but he pledged that his team would solve the problem before the race.

"As long as I can find some speed and keep up with the pack, I'll do everything I can to put on a show," Wheldon said.

The world will never know if he ended up happy with the way his car was performing, as the 33-year-old Wheldon was killed in a horrific crash on the 11th lap of the race. The entire affair was broadcast live on ABC for millions of viewers, making a very public case for why it’s time to dramatically overhaul motorsports—or eliminate them altogether.

Wheldon was the first racecar driver to die in action since rookie Paul Dana was killed while training in 2006—incidentally, Wheldon would go on to win the race for which Dana was practicing. A two-time Indy 500 champ, Wheldon is the most prominent driver killed since NASCAR racer Dale Earnhardt in 2001. The several forms of professional auto racing combined have averaged one driver death every few years, a number that’s wholly unacceptable.

Running 24th out of the 34 cars in the field, Wheldon saw Sunday’s pileup begin several hundred yards ahead of him—as did IndyCar fans, since ABC was broadcasting a video feed from inside his car at the time. The problem started as hundreds of motorsports crashes do, with the nose of one car catching the tail of another. The rear driver spun out, creating a chain reaction behind him that concluded with Wheldon’s car flying at least 200 yards through the air before crashing into a wall. Two other drivers were hospitalized. In all, 15 cars were involved.

I wasn’t watching the event—I’ve never seen more than a SportsCenter clip of an auto race—but watching the replay I was struck by how unsurprised the announcers seemed.

"Eddie, you and I spoke about this this morning on the drive in, just this amount of cars, the speed, just the chance for what they call 'the big one,'" one commentator said immediately after the crash.

Indeed, the 34 cars in Sunday's race made up the largest IndyCar field of the season. And on a smaller-than-average track, more cars mean more opportunities for catastrophe, with drivers sometimes racing four across, just a few inches between them. Numerous reports indicate that the Las Vegas Motor Speedway is unfit for IndyCar racing under any circumstances, yet that didn't stop the competition from going forward.

"We all had a bad feeling about this place in particular just because of the high banking and how easy it was to go flat," driver Oriol Servia told ESPN after the crash. "And if you give us the opportunity, we are drivers and we try to go to the front. We race each other hard because that's what we do. We knew it could happen, but it's just really sad."

Several drivers told news outlets they were concerned about the potential for extreme speeds at the Vegas track, with Wheldon telling USA Today that his car was topping out at 218 mph, more than 3 mph behind the fastest qualifying speeds. But, of course, race organizers weren’t interested in slowing down the race, especially with the IndyCar series struggling for viewers compared to NASCAR. Despite their fears, Wheldon and his dozens of opponents strapped into open-top cars knowing that it could be the last time. Considering what the crash looked like, it may be lucky that only one guy didn’t walk away.

After Earnhardt—arguably the greatest and most beloved driver ever—was killed at the Daytona 500, NASCAR made numerous safety improvements to cars and drivers’ equipment (measures Earnhardt himself had passionately opposed), from new seat belts and head restraints to new material in the cars and seats. No NASCAR driver has died in his car since, but it’s foolish to believe that they couldn’t. And IndyCar is even more dangerous, with faster speeds and exposed wheels that can easily send cars flying.

I don’t know enough about either racecars or physics to know how to make motorsports safe. But I do know that any sport that kills athletes at least every few years (many times a year, when you include amateur competitions) should be the subject of major investigations and sanctions (this should also apply to boxing, which sees multiple competitors die in the ring every year). And if there’s no way to reduce the risk of death to the point that drivers don’t assume they may die every time they step into their cars, it’s time to ban the sport—whether IndyCar or auto racing overall.

This, I know, will never happen. Racing is a hugely popular sport and a multibillion-dollar industry. Any serious debate on the subject in Congress would be shut down almost immediately by representatives from the South, where the greatest number of motorsports fans live. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t the right thing to do.

Racing fans are quick to point out that America’s most popular sport, professional football, poses huge risks to players too. Indeed, the incidence of serious brain injuries among former NFL athletes has reached crisis proportions, and the league isn’t taking it nearly seriously enough. But it is worth distinguishing a sport in which repeated blows can add up to long-term damage years later from one in which a driver’s tiny mistake can cause a chain reaction that kills one of his competitors in a fiery inferno in front of millions of TV viewers.

Earlier this year, auto racing safety expert John Melvin told ESPN that without the safety overhauls after Earnhardt’s death, the sport likely would have been shut down: "You cannot continue to kill your heroes," he said. Dan Wheldon had nowhere near Earnhardt’s name recognition, but his death had better prompt the same soul-searching.

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It bears noting that, in all likelihood, Dale Earnhardt died because he flaunted the safety regulations by loosening his restraint devices, not because those precautions were inadequate.

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