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But doesn't that apply to a lot of the front of the grid drivers? I know no-one else had Newey's great blown diffuser, but a lot of the cars were much more stable at the rear compared to this year ......?
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A few of us have been saying that for some time. Vettel can use the rear downforce to execute faster turning by a trick he learnt. Came initial from an article by Mark Hughes analysing what gives Lewis , Alonso and Vetel their edge. Cookie has referred to it several times. When the double diffusers were banned Vettel was not faster than Webber until Newey engineered back some of that downforce.
Yes all the cars have less downforce this year , but Vettel's had more last year and his advantage over the field depended on it. So with it gone he's the biggest loser. He now looks average.
RC - I agree he had better. The point I was trying to make (badly) was that the other top drivers have had to go from a planted rear, to a unstable real mans racing car. And a lot of them seem to be doing fine, so I feel it's a bit of grasping at straws, just trying to find excuses for him.
Ricciardo can hit the ground running while Vettel has to effectively learn to drive again!
...When the stars aren't perfectly aligned he struggles...
I would suggest this is true of pretty well any driver... wait, any sports persona... out there!!
F1 is not about man against man, it's about a team effort where the machinery is just as important as the driver!
Of course, your teammate is the best way to measure how you're really doing; but, even then, there will be other mitigating factors during a race weekend.
You are defending him because out of four reasons why he might be struggling there's not one that even suggests it's solely because he's lacking in the necessary skills.
So basically you've said, it's not his fault.
Ricciardo can hit the ground running while Vettel has to effectively learn to drive again!
You'd expect a 4 time WDC to already know how to drive.
Ricciardo can hit the ground running while Vettel has to effectively learn to drive again!
You'd expect a 4 time WDC to already know how to drive.
...When the stars aren't perfectly aligned he struggles...
I would suggest this is true of pretty well any driver... wait, any sports persona... out there!!
F1 is not about man against man, it's about a team effort where the machinery is just as important as the driver!
Of course, your teammate is the best way to measure how you're really doing; but, even then, there will be other mitigating factors during a race weekend.
You are defending him because out of four reasons why he might be struggling there's not one that even suggests it's solely because he's lacking in the necessary skills.
So basically you've said, it's not his fault.
Again, that's your assumption. Since we'd already heard/read/discussed how it's his
lack of skills what I intend was to show you the flip side of the coin, namely that there
are a number of variables that impact on how a driver wins/loses.
...When the stars aren't perfectly aligned he struggles...
I would suggest this is true of pretty well any driver... wait, any sports persona... out there!!
F1 is not about man against man, it's about a team effort where the machinery is just as important as the driver!
Of course, your teammate is the best way to measure how you're really doing; but, even then, there will be other mitigating factors during a race weekend.
You are defending him because out of four reasons why he might be struggling there's not one that even suggests it's solely because he's lacking in the necessary skills.
So basically you've said, it's not his fault.
Again, that's your assumption. Since we'd already heard/read/discussed how it's his
lack of skills what I intend was to show you the flip side of the coin, namely that there
are a number of variables that impact on how a driver wins/loses.
I'm aware of the variables, I'm not that stupid. It was taken into consideration, then his skills were judged. You were the one that took one point from my paragraph, and made a general assumption about something very specific. When I say perfectly aligned, I mean it's within Vettel's narrow window. I did mention all this before but you just passed over it. Other top drivers don't need such a small margin to work their magic.
The first pages of this thread, three years ago, people are having exactly the same discussions. That's three further crowns which have yet to convince many race fans that Vettel is worthy of the plaudits and records. Even your man Alonso questions his authenticity.
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