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#275870
If people are interested, I could do one on 2005 and 2008. Very interesting, they look :yoda:
I could also do 2007, but not much would be changed there (spoiler: Raikkonen would have won with 16 points difference, Hamilton would be 6 points clear of Alonso).

Just let me know.

PS: highlight the spoiler text to see the alternative outcome of 2007.
PS2: don't quote this text if you don't want the alternative outcome of 2007 spoiled; just tell me.
#276604
Read that list, and think you are being unfair on Alonso. Lets go through the incidents where I dont agree.

Bahrain - You cant say that Vettel wouldnt have won, Alonso was only 2 seconds behind and slowly catching when he got the problem, so there is no guarantee that he would have won.

Malaysia - Does Alonso'e engine blowing up from 8th Place on the last 2 laps not count as "Bad Luck".

Europe - If hamilton got penalised like Alonso did in Silverstone, he would have been out of the points.

Germany - How Can you take 7 points off Alonso. He won the race.

Korea - Again, if you watched that race, you would have seen how quick Alonso was when Vettel blew up. He was 4-5 seconds a lap faster than ANYONE thanks to him saving his tyres behind SV. So, no guarantee that Vettel would have won that either.

The other point I want to make is that Ferrari and Red Bull obviously went for different tactics.

Red Bull went for Speed, Ferrari went for Reliability. So you can say "misfortune", but if the Red Bull was as reliable as the Ferrari, then it probably wouldnt have been as quick. It is not as straightforward as you try and make it.
#276610
Bahrain - You cant say that Vettel wouldnt have won, Alonso was only 2 seconds behind and slowly catching when he got the problem, so there is no guarantee that he would have won.

Vettel was comfortably leading, having been faster all race, as he tends to do; just be out far enough in front and bring it home. Not many will agree with you that Vettel would not have won if not for the spark plug.

Malaysia - Does Alonso'e engine blowing up from 8th Place on the last 2 laps not count as "Bad Luck".

My bad. I'll edit that :thumbup:

Europe - If hamilton got penalised like Alonso did in Silverstone, he would have been out of the points.

Hamilton got the exact same penalty; yes, it was bad luck he got stuck behind the safety car, but if he didn't provoke the penalty to start with, it would not have been a problem.

Germany - How Can you take 7 points off Alonso. He won the race.

He won the race illegitimately.

Korea - Again, if you watched that race, you would have seen how quick Alonso was when Vettel blew up. He was 4-5 seconds a lap faster than ANYONE thanks to him saving his tyres behind SV. So, no guarantee that Vettel would have won that either.

Like with Bahrain, it's a long shot to say Vettel would not have won this one: he was faster all race, in control, and only started losing to Alonso laps before his engine gave out.

The other point I want to make is that Ferrari and Red Bull obviously went for different tactics.

Red Bull went for Speed, Ferrari went for Reliability. So you can say "misfortune", but if the Red Bull was as reliable as the Ferrari, then it probably wouldnt have been as quick. It is not as straightforward as you try and make it.

Yes, there will always be a necessity for some people that there is a big disclaimer explaining things like this, but when the general consensus seemed to be 'we don't understand how Vettel took 'till the last race to win the title in the fastest car', this is the easiest way to put things into persective.
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#276693
I've reviewed the Malaysian Grand Prix to fix one incident I overlooked, and decided to put Alonso in p6, in front of Hamilton (p7), Massa (p8) and Button (p9).
While it's true that Alonso was only 9th when his engine blew up, he had been having problems with his gearbox for most of the race.
Taking that into consideration, and the speed shown throughout the race relative to Massa, sixth place in front could have been a realistic result.
#292620
Could you do 2001 please? I'd really like to see the ins and outs of it - especially as although Hakkinen and Montoya finished a long way behind the top 4 they had by far the worst luck of the top 6. It's also the first season I ever watched.


Could DC have possibly won the title??? Let's wait and see... :P:eek:
#292632
Could you do 2001 please? I'd really like to see the ins and outs of it - especially as although Hakkinen and Montoya finished a long way behind the top 4 they had by far the worst luck of the top 6. It's also the first season I ever watched.


Could DC have possibly won the title??? Let's wait and see... :P:eek:


Not with that jaw! :hehe:
#292633
Could you do 2001 please? I'd really like to see the ins and outs of it - especially as although Hakkinen and Montoya finished a long way behind the top 4 they had by far the worst luck of the top 6. It's also the first season I ever watched.


Could DC have possibly won the title??? Let's wait and see... :P:eek:


Not with that jaw! :hehe:


Far too much wind resistance going on there! :P
#292659
Could you do 2001 please? I'd really like to see the ins and outs of it - especially as although Hakkinen and Montoya finished a long way behind the top 4 they had by far the worst luck of the top 6. It's also the first season I ever watched.


Could DC have possibly won the title??? Let's wait and see... :P:eek:


Not with that jaw! :hehe:


Far too much wind resistance going on there! :P

Yeah, his cw value is 1.8-2.0, which incidentally is the same as the one for the Eiffel Tower :eek:

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