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[myownalias]

The irony here is that these were and will remain the most expensive engines in F1 history! And billions spent in development. Cost cutting?

But now we can all have 800hp 2.4L Turbo V6's in our roadcars now...

Yes we have the relevance to the auto industry!

However I have been driving 2.3L turbo's since 2000 so they are a little bit behind the times, at least in my case.

Yes, but I am willing to bet that your 2.3L Turbo doesn't make 800hp with hybrid technology. It's not about engine size, it's about the technology to develop more power using less fuel. It's not surprising that the auto industry want to get more out of F1 than simply competing, they want to use the F1 technology in their road cars, a lot of people will buy a car for "F1 technology", it's a business first, a F1 team second, which is kinda why I don't like manufacturers in the sport, I'd rather have 11 independents who's passion is racing, not how can we milk this for our profit.

[sagi58]

...it's a business first, a F1 team second, which is kinda why I don't like manufacturers in the sport, I'd rather have 11 independents who's passion is racing, not how can we milk this for our profit.

Welcome to Capitalism!!

All kidding aside, I don't think the two are exclusive, even
though one may have a "bit" of priority over the other.

[myownalias]

Manufacturer teams have two sides, the "F1 team" who are dedicated to racing and the "corporate" side, but the corporate side pulls the strings, if there is little to no ROI, then the team will be pulled, much in the same way BMW, Toyota and Honda did back in the 00's, it's a sad reality of our capitalist society, everything boils down to money.

[darwin dali]

Manufacturer teams have two sides, the "F1 team" who are dedicated to racing and the "corporate" side, but the corporate side pulls the strings, if there is little to no ROI, then the team will be pulled, much in the same way BMW, Toyota and Honda did back in the 00's, it's a sad reality of our capitalist society, everything boils down to money.

It's rough for us socialists to live in the US, but there's a ray of hope and I'm feeling the Bern

[myownalias]

Manufacturer teams have two sides, the "F1 team" who are dedicated to racing and the "corporate" side, but the corporate side pulls the strings, if there is little to no ROI, then the team will be pulled, much in the same way BMW, Toyota and Honda did back in the 00's, it's a sad reality of our capitalist society, everything boils down to money.

It's rough for us socialists to live in the US, but there's a ray of hope and I'm feeling the Bern

I would dearly love to see Bernie Sanders win the nomination, but I get the feeling that the "democratic" party will do their utmost to screw him over, all those socialist ideas, killing off the medical insurance business and breaking up the banks. It's far too much for our "representatives" to take, they may all spontaneously combust if we have a President Sanders.

[darwin dali]

The three Bernies: I feel the Bern for only one of them - guess who!

[sagi58]

The three Bernies: I feel the Bern for only one of them - guess who!...

Ecclestone, Madoff or Sanders...
I'm going to pull an "American" and plead the 5th!!

[darwin dali]

The three Bernies: I feel the Bern for only one of them - guess who!...

Ecclestone, Madoff or Sanders...
I'm going to pull an "American" and plead the 5th!!

You were supposed to guess my Bern, so the 5th doesn't really apply...

[sagi58]

The three Bernies: I feel the Bern for only one of them - guess who!...

Ecclestone, Madoff or Sanders...
I'm going to pull an "American" and plead the 5th!!

You were supposed to guess my Bern, so the 5th doesn't really apply...

I'd rather not incriminate myself of not knowing who your personal Bern is!!

[overboost]

A new high compression design to force auto combustion and 'pre-Bern' the fuel before the spark = more power. If they can get it to work.

"The focus of the team’s development on its Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) has been in the combustion chamber, reports motorsport.com.

“One target that has been set has been to reach a 300 bar pressure in the combustion chamber, much higher than last year’s figures that were understood to be around 220-240 bar,” wrote motorsport.com’s Franco Nugnes.

“Ferrari’s aim is to reduce the ignition time, and make the engine operate in a similar way to a diesel with auto-combustion.

“If you can get the fuel to burn before the ignition spark, through high pressure within the chamber, then that will deliver a substantial increase in power. It’s easy to say but very complicated to carry out.”

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/ ... bf1979f5e7"

[overboost]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... oken-spend

"The FIA has confirmed Ferrari has so far spent 23 tokens, with only nine remaining to use for the remainder of the campaign."

Lets hope that the engine is competitive from the start because Ferrari has no way to be competitive with the others in engine upgrades for the rest of the season as they have few tokens remaining.

The others have used far less tokens:

Ferrari 23 (9 remaining)
Honda 18 (14 remaining)
Mercedes 19 (13 remaining)
Renault 7 (25 remaining)

Renault has their new engine coming for Canada.

[darwin dali]

I wouldn't call 18/19 vs. 23 FAR less. The only one that used far less was Renault with 7, but they'll catch up big time by Canada.

[overboost]

With engine costs so high many Mercedes teams are planning to use only four engines and not pay Mercedes for the fifth. Seems like these teams have already thrown in the towel on competitive racing for '16 and will probably turn down the four engines and put their hopes on reliability to make it to the end. They are also likely to limit practice sessions. Sauber is also in great difficulty, even with the high cost of engines being reduced to about 15M euros this season, and is fighting for its survival.

Ps. This is good news for Haas!

"According to reports in Germany, Williams, Manor and Force India will attempt to complete the season with four engines rather than five to save on the amount they have to pay Mercedes.

AMuS report that it will save each team 1.5m Euros per engine and quote Williams Pat Symonds as saying: "The money for the fifth engine, we would rather invest in the car".

The German publication claims Force India ran on the lowest possible power settings in Bahrain during practice, which would explain their lowly 15th and 17th positions in Practice Two."

http://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog/1 ... sip-column

[sagi58]

Part of the lack-of-competitiveness issue rises from the freeze on development.
Lucky Mercedes that their engine was developed before the ink was dried on the rules/regulations!

[overboost]

Vettel tells it like it is! Stick with normally aspirated engines.

Imo get rid of all the expensive contrivances that are bolted on the side of the engines like the electric motors and turbos etc. Pure high revving, 20k rpm, NA V10's are F1 engines these current engines are not.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24182/ ... ed-engines