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[Jabberwocky]

Interesting idea

http://www.grandprixtimes.com/news/display/09909
I wonder how much it would change the centre of gravity.

I would assume that the engine air intake comes from the side pod now, hope it is not affected by brake temperature (heating up the induction temperature)

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[CookinFlat6]

The COG will be higher than other cars, which will work the suspension harder. The engines air intake still come from the sidepods as usual cooled with radiators but less now as it also gets radiator cooled air from the top intake

Therefore it doesnt change anything for the ambient air entering the sidepods

[What's Burning?]

Having the brightest light suffer in a non competitive car as less deserving drivers with a 2 sec advantage cruise to wins is a huge missed opportunity .

Mercedes are in it to win it. They hire the best available, drivers and engineers. They have the best driver, they have Hamilton, and they have Nico to keep Hamilton honest.they are not a charity case, they do not need to employ'deserving' drivers. They've missed no opportunities, they've won two championships by doing what they do. Hiring the best.

Here's a nice little paragraph or two on engine development and the outcome of what Ferrari and Red Bull pushed for. It's pretty clear that in season freeze helped reduce cost tremendously. It's also clear that those who made a crappy product could make huge gains over the winter and have a completed engine homologated by the end of February as previously agreed. But they changed their mind, because their effort was so poor as compared to the mighty Mercedes, that they need to make the sport's smaller teams suffer by not only absorbing additional costs but also making due with less than the best engines for a substantial portion of the calendar.

ESPNF1 The freedom to spend development tokens throughout the season (see right) has opened up a choice for the manufacturers: spend them early for the best possible power unit at the start of the year or gain more time for development by spending them later. One downside to spending them later in the year is that each car is limited to just four new power units over the 20 races and any power units used before an in-season token spend will not benefit from the same upgrades as new ones but may have to be used again at future races for reliability reasons.

"If you do use tokens up through the year, then the introduction of that will mean what [the power units] you had previously you won't want to use again, which does complicate it," Mercedes HPP managing director Andy Cowell explained. "That's one of the things to consider as you come up with ideas and decide what you want to do."

God, if you really do exist, please help the helpless, the needy and Ferrari.

[sagi58]

God... please help...Ferrari.

[CookinFlat6]

I guess after the ex Ferrari TP led FIA help of 90 mill, rules veto, fom leadership veto ALL didn't help, only God is left

[What's Burning?]

They brought Rory back... for like the 8th time. Maybe this time he won't be old fashioned and too conservative of thought which were the reasons given for having sacked him seven previous times.

It just dawned on me that Ferrari don't need to build a better engine, they need to build a time machine and set it to 1999.

[CookinFlat6]

Oh but Ferrari have loads of experience hiring firing and rehiring the same people, in fact the only ones they have been unable to rehire after unfairly sacking them are those who were actually any good and got snapped up by other engineering based outfits less interested in nationality or family membership

The sign of madness is repeating the same things and expecting new results, although Kimis results may improve if they fired him one more time

Anytime now we should get censored for posting opinions about Ferrari that are not fantasies instead of just reading lies about other teams

[Hammer278]

Don't forget they're also the biggest philanthropists on the grid, telling Kimi to go take a vacation (and take all the sh!ts he wants) and giving him a top 3 drivers pay packet to boot. Never ever gets old.

[vaptin]

Only 7 laps for McLaren

It might be interesting however, to see the team slowly iron out their issues through the season, making up for their lost testing time and then progress to unlock the cars potential and actual pace, perhaps.

[overboost]

Having the brightest light suffer in a non competitive car as less deserving drivers with a 2 sec advantage cruise to wins is a huge missed opportunity .

Mercedes are in it to win it. They hire the best available, drivers and engineers. They have the best driver, they have Hamilton, and they have Nico to keep Hamilton honest.they are not a charity case, they do not need to employ'deserving' drivers. They've missed no opportunities, they've won two championships by doing what they do. Hiring the best.

Here's a nice little paragraph or two on engine development and the outcome of what Ferrari and Red Bull pushed for. It's pretty clear that in season freeze helped reduce cost tremendously. It's also clear that those who made a crappy product could make huge gains over the winter and have a completed engine homologated by the end of February as previously agreed. But they changed their mind, because their effort was so poor as compared to the mighty Mercedes, that they need to make the sport's smaller teams suffer by not only absorbing additional costs but also making due with less than the best engines for a substantial portion of the calendar.

ESPNF1 The freedom to spend development tokens throughout the season (see right) has opened up a choice for the manufacturers: spend them early for the best possible power unit at the start of the year or gain more time for development by spending them later. One downside to spending them later in the year is that each car is limited to just four new power units over the 20 races and any power units used before an in-season token spend will not benefit from the same upgrades as new ones but may have to be used again at future races for reliability reasons.

"If you do use tokens up through the year, then the introduction of that will mean what [the power units] you had previously you won't want to use again, which does complicate it," Mercedes HPP managing director Andy Cowell explained. "That's one of the things to consider as you come up with ideas and decide what you want to do."

God, if you really do exist, please help the helpless, the needy and Ferrari.

Meanwhile back in the real world, Hamilton isn't generally recognized by fans or the F1 media as the best driver but one of the top three perhaps, behind Ricciardo and Alonso. As well Rosberg exposed Hamilton's weakness in qualification/single lap speed, so Lewis isn't the fastest driver either. Unfortunately driving a car with a 2 sec advantage makes it almost impossible for Hamilton to display the level of his talent.

Also the article quoted doesn't backup the assertion that tremendous $ are being saved only that in-season upgrades are at a disadvantage due to the engine use rules. In reality the new engines are vastly more expensive than the engines that they replaced, adding $15M to the customer teams tight budgets and putting two teams on the ropes.

In fact Cowell's last quote touches on the main issue, that teams can come up with ideas but have to decide which ones to implement because you can't do them all, far from it. Performance is left on the drawing board.

[CookinFlat6]

In fact Cowell's last quote touches on the main issue, that teams can come up with ideas but have to decide which ones to implement because you can't do them all, far from it. Performance is left on the drawing board.

The only way to be abl o do them all is unlimited spending. The engine makers have voted unanimously to limit spending via the token system. Merc offered the lamer competitors a chance to spend even more money in the form of extra tokens, but they rejected this offer.

Nowadays no one wants unlimited spending and unlimited fuel - the challenge is to do more with less, 10 years ago I bought light bulbs that I disposed of every couple of months, now I use light bulbs that last for 15 years. The only people who want to go back to ineficiency are a certain backward arsed team that have wasted more money on things like paying of drivers and screweing up wind tunnels than the budget required to fund competent F1 teams each year.

Teams like Lotus and Williams get more results for a fraction of the Ferrari spend In fact Lotus beat Ferrari with budget less than the free special needs handout from the FIA Ferrari have recieved each year for decades

As far as the world champion, he has titles won at 2 different teams - everyone knows this is th rel mark of quality as oppose to luck

Nope, the world has moved on since butthurt fans were telling everyone that F1 speeds would never increase after 2014, that was as dumb as saying cars could run ICEs that emitted carbon and simultaneously removed more carbon

You would have to feel sorry for someone with that level of brain damage to run away and come back in a disguise for the same spanking

[overboost]

In fact Cowell's last quote touches on the main issue, that teams can come up with ideas but have to decide which ones to implement because you can't do them all, far from it. Performance is left on the drawing board.

The only way to be abl o do them all is unlimited spending. The engine makers have voted unanimously to limit spending via the token system. Merc offered the lamer competitors a chance to spend even more money in the form of extra tokens, but they rejected this offer.

Nowadays no one wants unlimited spending and unlimited fuel - the challenge is to do more with less, 10 years ago I bought light bulbs that I disposed of every couple of months, now I use light bulbs that last for 15 years. The only people who want to go back to ineficiency are a certain backward arsed team that have wasted more money on things like paying of drivers and screweing up wind tunnels than the budget required to fund competent F1 teams each year.

Teams like Lotus and Williams get more results for a fraction of the Ferrari spend In fact Lotus beat Ferrari with budget less than the free special needs handout from the FIA Ferrari have recieved each year for decades

As far as the world champion, he has titles won at 2 different teams - everyone knows this is th rel mark of quality as oppose to luck

Nope, the world has moved on since butthurt fans were telling everyone that F1 speeds would never increase after 2014, that was as dumb as saying cars could run ICEs that emitted carbon and simultaneously removed more carbon

You would have to feel sorry for someone with that level of brain damage to run away and come back in a disguise for the same spanking

Ferrari and Renault were right to spit in Wolff's face rather than take his meaningless charity. Half of the engine would still be frozen!

The reality is that spending is up, dramatically. So the 'savings' you are so fond of are just figments of your imagination. Just more cookin lies.

And you know as this as well as anyone else that Hamilton won with a lucky break in 2008 and any driver in the top ten lucky enough to be driving the Merc in 2014 would be a winner.

I will leave you now to fondle your precious light bulbs. Bizarre comments, thanks for the laugh!

[racechick]

In fact Cowell's last quote touches on the main issue, that teams can come up with ideas but have to decide which ones to implement because you can't do them all, far from it. Performance is left on the drawing board.

The only way to be abl o do them all is unlimited spending. The engine makers have voted unanimously to limit spending via the token system. Merc offered the lamer competitors a chance to spend even more money in the form of extra tokens, but they rejected this offer.

Nowadays no one wants unlimited spending and unlimited fuel - the challenge is to do more with less, 10 years ago I bought light bulbs that I disposed of every couple of months, now I use light bulbs that last for 15 years. The only people who want to go back to ineficiency are a certain backward arsed team that have wasted more money on things like paying of drivers and screweing up wind tunnels than the budget required to fund competent F1 teams each year.

Teams like Lotus and Williams get more results for a fraction of the Ferrari spend In fact Lotus beat Ferrari with budget less than the free special needs handout from the FIA Ferrari have recieved each year for decades

As far as the world champion, he has titles won at 2 different teams - everyone knows this is th rel mark of quality as oppose to luck

Nope, the world has moved on since butthurt fans were telling everyone that F1 speeds would never increase after 2014, that was as dumb as saying cars could run ICEs that emitted carbon and simultaneously removed more carbon

You would have to feel sorry for someone with that level of brain damage to run away and come back in a disguise for the same spanking

Ferrari and Renault were right to spit in Wolff's face rather than to take his meaningless charity. Half of the engine would still be frozen.

The reality is that spending is up, dramatically. So the 'savings' you are so fond of are just figments of your imagination. Just more cookin lies.

And you know as this as well as anyone else that Hamilton won with a lucky break in 2008 and any driver in the top ten lucky enough to be driving the Merc in 2014 would be a winner.

I will leave you now to fondle your precious light bulbs. Bizarre comments, thanks for the laugh!

Spending is up because of the the initial development of the more complex power trains. Can you imagine how much more it would be if the likes of Ferrari with their 90 mil handout were allowed unlimited development throughout the season? The smaller teams would be gone.
The last engines were frozen too you know, not just the current ones.

[racechick]

Meanwhile back in the real world, Hamilton isn't generally recognized by fans or the F1 media as the best driver but one of the top three perhaps, behind Ricciardo and Alonso. As well Rosberg exposed Hamilton's weakness in qualification/single lap speed, so Lewis isn't the fastest driver either. Unfortunately driving a car with a 2 sec advantage makes it almost impossible for Hamilton to display the level of his talent.

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Hamilton has done plenty to display his level of talent prior to being in a car that is the class of the field. It's why Merc wanted him and ut why they still want him despite Slonso offering his services. so Merc certainly aren't amongst the group you suggest place Alonso and Ricciardo above Hamilton.

Alonso is a very talented driver, he was next on Mercs list, so I can see why some may prefer him to Hamilton, expspecially the ' never Hamilton at any cost' brigade. But he's earnt his place up there with Hamilton

Ricciardo has been brilliant, a great guy and a great talent. He showed Vettel up for what many of us had been saying during the ' Vettel is a legend' talk. He was there to pick the ball up three times when Merceds dropped it. And for that he richly denser se paves the praise he received. But on Hamilton or Alonso's level? No way . He may be one day, but he certainly isn't yet. He's not even fought for a championship yet.

And that thorny little issue of qualifying. We've been here before. You reckon Lewis is weak in this area? Yet as a rookie he beat a double world champion in the same car at qualifying. The same double world champion that you think is better than Hamilton. So what does that say about Alonso's qualifying? risberg is a great qualifier, better than Lewis? I wouldn't day so. Lewis had two catastrophic failures in qualifying and a team mate who didn't play fair. That's three possible sessions that could have gone the other way. Hamilton made errors too Im not denying that. But he also won races when not on pole. So a bit of strategic thinking here from Hamilton? Sacrifice Quali to win the race and the champioship? Or is that an impossibility for the cerebrally challenged and distracted Hamilton?

[CookinFlat6]

I wouldn't bother anymore RC. It's obvious now that ob demonstrates some very strong parallels with former member spankyham. Such as a creepy and disturbing fixation on a complete lie (cars too slow/biofuels are better than electric/Merc stifled comoetition) to be repeated over and over whilst he gets his rocks creating usernames and discussing things with himself and others in pms, misrepresenting himself, creating fictitious ""wife's"" and pretending to be this female member whilst having pm exchanges with other members, in which he talks about his umpalumpa tourist activities in places perverts do not visit for "mature companions"

Now I am not saying ob is exactly the same as spanky but personally I feel it would be wrong to help him in anyway to continue to follow the same pattern

Creepy is not the word, more like the twilight zone