bud wrote:You wanted Lewis to gets penalty Spanky? Wow that's new!
racechick wrote:Maybe their thinking went something like this. Rosberg did something wrong, that meant Lewis had to do something wrong to avoid a crash.Lewis gained, but he was only put in that position because of Nico's initial error. So lets leave it.
Im not saying I agree with that line of thinking , because now like Alonso says, how are they going to interpret rules in the future??They have set a precident now. A precident that suited this occassion but might not suit the next(wall there instead of run-off and driver pushed into it like Lewis at Canada)
spankyham wrote:bud wrote:You wanted Lewis to gets penalty Spanky? Wow that's new!
Hi Bud. You should know I'm a bit of a Lewis fan - just don't like the car he's in ..... for the time being.
spankyham wrote:No, my point is just technical. If Rosberg did nothing wrong (I tend to think the stewards got that wrong in both instances) but, if you accept that he didn't do something wrong, then, really, Lewis should have been penalized. I'll be interested to see what Hammer has to say, but I just can't see how Lewis could have made that pass if he didn't go off track.
Trying to avoid a collision is probably Lewis's reasoning
spankyham wrote:myownalias wrote:spankyham wrote:If I understand you rightly, you're saying, Lewis going off track was as a result of Rosberg's doing something wrong. So because he was forced off track by Rosberg's mistake then Lewis wasn't at fault.
And then, because Rosberg's error was punished by the outcome (Lewis completed an overtake) there was no need to punish Rosberg?
In a word, yes! If contact was made or LH spun out, I'd expect the stewards to take action against Rosberg!
I got to say that doesn't make sense to me at all.
Firstly, the stewards said Rosberg didn't do anything wrong.
Secondly, if we take your view, then stewards will stop punishing people for breaking rules based on the results? Why, say, was Buemi/Malaysia/2011 (I think) given a stop go penalty for pitlane speeding when he didn't gain any place?
zurich_allan wrote:Of course if the stewards say Rosberg did nothing wrong then technically Hamilton may have gained an advantage from going off track (although given his closing speed he pretty much HAD to do that or spin as a result of a combination of heavy braking and swerving - which is the least dangerous to everyone on track? Clearly maintaining speed and going off track).
The problem is that there's plenty of precedent for drivers technically gaining an advantage by going (all 4 wheels) off track but not being punished - Vettel at Melbourne (can't remember if it was 2010 or 2011) where that was also indisputable, and Kimi at Spa in pretty much every year he's raced there - notably in 2009 when he potentially gained a race win over Fisichella because of it. If the stewards then decide to punish Hamilton for the same type of circumstance, when there are mitigating circumstances in his case, but not in the ones I've just highlighted, it could open a huge can of worms and rightly so.
They couldn't punish Hamilton without coming under serious and warranted criticism - even if he was technically at fault in their eyes.
spankyham wrote:Maybe what really peeves me is that there is just no consistency. And it all stems from the fact that they just keep adding more and more rules to try and define and lock drivers into more and more constraints.
I won't post it again, but I'm sure most of you will remember one of my fave clips - Gilles V Arnoux 79' France (from memory). We didn't have anywhere near the rules and regs then, but the drives gave no quarter, yet maintained respect for each other and raced the way we would really like to see drivers set free to race. Now we have this x number of moves and trying to define racing lines (what a joke that is). I'm sure half these regulators can't know as much as most of the experienced posters here and certainly can't have done even one angry lap on a track anywhere.
F1 development over the past couple of decades = create a load more stupid rules to prevent drivers racing each other ...... then because drivers are now so constrained and cars are so homogenized lets create more and more rules for artificially induced passes.... DRS, @#$% rubber, blah blah
myownalias wrote:I say bring back (real) grass and gravel traps; that'll stop all this nonsense. Give a driver a big tarmac run off area and he will exploit it. What's the point in having a rule that states that gaining an advantage by leaving the confines of the track is illegal and not enforce it, hence why I think that neither NR or LH received any punishment as they both broke the rules, stalemate!!!
JB was penalised in Australia 2011 for something very similar; yes, he took the the inside of the track instead of the outside but he was effectively squeezed, Massa left him no room on the inside of the corner, which indicates to me that if you go the long way around and carry more speed (gaining an advantage), then it's absolutely fine, there is no consistently in stewardship!
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