2012 FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX

[PartsaS]

McLaren was always weak on strategies, Apart from the troubled pit stops, Hamilton mostly rellies on his engineer and team, to put him in a good place in the race, often thats not the case and he puts everything in his superb driving to gain something... I think Button plays a bigger role choosing his strategy, which leads in success as long as he has a fast enough car that suits him.
Personaly I think we have the best drivers pairing in F1, but I would like to see some brave strategies from the team when things are not going our way. And probably copy that redbull rear thing...
Bahrain was not our fav gp anyway.

[myownalias]

McLaren was always weak on strategies, Apart from the troubled pit stops, Hamilton mostly rellies on his engineer and team, to put him in a good place in the race, often thats not the case and he puts everything in his superb driving to gain something... I think Button plays a bigger role choosing his strategy, which leads in success as long as he has a fast enough car that suits him.
Personaly I think we have the best drivers pairing in F1, but I would like to see some brave strategies from the team when things are not going our way. And probably copy that redbull rear thing...
Bahrain was not our fav gp anyway.

You wrote pretty much what I wrote two minutes before you using different words, freaky!

[PartsaS]

sixth sense

[spankyham]

See the documentation racechick posted earlier:

http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/MEDIACENTRE/F1 ... ent-42.pdf
http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/MEDIACENTRE/F1 ... ent-43.pdf

Just a question, if Rosberg's move was legal, why wasn't Lewis penalized for taking a position going off track?

[Hammer278]

See the documentation racechick posted earlier:

http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/MEDIACENTRE/F1 ... ent-42.pdf
http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/MEDIACENTRE/F1 ... ent-43.pdf

Just a question, if Rosberg's move was legal, why wasn't Lewis penalized for taking a position going off track?

Because he did not gain an advantage by cutting a corner, nor did he overtake off track. By the time he passed Rosberg, he was back on track.

[spankyham]

See the documentation racechick posted earlier:

http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/MEDIACENTRE/F1 ... ent-42.pdf
http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/MEDIACENTRE/F1 ... ent-43.pdf

Just a question, if Rosberg's move was legal, why wasn't Lewis penalized for taking a position going off track?

Because he did not gain an advantage by cutting a corner, nor did he overtake off track. By the time he passed Rosberg, he was back on track.

So, in your opinion, going off the track didn't have any bearing or effect on Lewis's overtake, is that what you mean?

[myownalias]

Just a question, if Rosberg's move was legal, why wasn't Lewis penalized for taking a position going off track?

Because he did not gain an advantage by cutting a corner, nor did he overtake off track. By the time he passed Rosberg, he was back on track.

So, in your opinion, going off the track didn't have any bearing or effect on Lewis's overtake, is that what you mean?

That wouldn't have been the case, Hamilton made the pass by carrying extra speed around the outside, completely off the track, I would guess this is why Rosberg didn't get punished for the move that forced Hamilton wide as Rosberg lost the place anyway, Hamilton definitely gained an advantage by going off track!

[spankyham]

Just a question, if Rosberg's move was legal, why wasn't Lewis penalized for taking a position going off track?

Because he did not gain an advantage by cutting a corner, nor did he overtake off track. By the time he passed Rosberg, he was back on track.

So, in your opinion, going off the track didn't have any bearing or effect on Lewis's overtake, is that what you mean?

That wouldn't have been the case, Hamilton made the pass by carrying extra speed around the outside, completely off the track, I would guess this is why Rosberg didn't get punished for the move that forced Hamilton wide as Rosberg lost the place anyway, Hamilton definitely gained an advantage by going off track!

I think you differ with Hammer (but need to wait for Hammer's reply to be sure).

If I understand you rightly, you're saying, Lewis going off track was as a result of Rosberg's doing something wrong. So because he was forced off track by Rosberg's mistake then Lewis wasn't at fault.

And then, because Rosberg's error was punished by the outcome (Lewis completed an overtake) there was no need to punish Rosberg?

[myownalias]

If I understand you rightly, you're saying, Lewis going off track was as a result of Rosberg's doing something wrong. So because he was forced off track by Rosberg's mistake then Lewis wasn't at fault.

And then, because Rosberg's error was punished by the outcome (Lewis completed an overtake) there was no need to punish Rosberg?

In a word, yes! If contact was made or LH spun out, I'd expect the stewards to take action against Rosberg!

[racechick]

I think that the difference between JB and LH is that LH just wants to get in the car and race, JB is into the whole 'team' thing, getting to know everyone on his team, building the team around him, and that had given him the edge in my opinion, LH tends to drive around problems instead of moaning about it and getting him team together to want to help him overcome issues. Of course this is just my take on the situation and the comments that were made by Martin Whitmarsh, the "and Lewis is learning too..." comment particularly.

Now that thinking is quite close to mine! I've just explored some of the points a little further.

[spankyham]

If I understand you rightly, you're saying, Lewis going off track was as a result of Rosberg's doing something wrong. So because he was forced off track by Rosberg's mistake then Lewis wasn't at fault.

And then, because Rosberg's error was punished by the outcome (Lewis completed an overtake) there was no need to punish Rosberg?

In a word, yes! If contact was made or LH spun out, I'd expect the stewards to take action against Rosberg!

I got to say that doesn't make sense to me at all.

Firstly, the stewards said Rosberg didn't do anything wrong.

Secondly, if we take your view, then stewards will stop punishing people for breaking rules based on the results? Why, say, was Buemi/Malaysia/2011 (I think) given a stop go penalty for pitlane speeding when he didn't gain any place?

[Jabberwocky]

From memory the rules say something like a cars width should be left for a car on the racing line. As Lewis an Alonso had moved off the racing line that rule does not count.

[Jabberwocky]

If I understand you rightly, you're saying, Lewis going off track was as a result of Rosberg's doing something wrong. So because he was forced off track by Rosberg's mistake then Lewis wasn't at fault.

And then, because Rosberg's error was punished by the outcome (Lewis completed an overtake) there was no need to punish Rosberg?

In a word, yes! If contact was made or LH spun out, I'd expect the stewards to take action against Rosberg!

I got to say that doesn't make sense to me at all.

Firstly, the stewards said Rosberg didn't do anything wrong.

Secondly, if we take your view, then stewards will stop punishing people for breaking rules based on the results? Why, say, was Buemi/Malaysia/2011 (I think) given a stop go penalty for pitlane speeding when he didn't gain any place?

How could you prove that the second he made up would not effect the outcome of something later in the race.

[spankyham]

If I understand you rightly, you're saying, Lewis going off track was as a result of Rosberg's doing something wrong. So because he was forced off track by Rosberg's mistake then Lewis wasn't at fault.

And then, because Rosberg's error was punished by the outcome (Lewis completed an overtake) there was no need to punish Rosberg?

In a word, yes! If contact was made or LH spun out, I'd expect the stewards to take action against Rosberg!

I got to say that doesn't make sense to me at all.

Firstly, the stewards said Rosberg didn't do anything wrong.

Secondly, if we take your view, then stewards will stop punishing people for breaking rules based on the results? Why, say, was Buemi/Malaysia/2011 (I think) given a stop go penalty for pitlane speeding when he didn't gain any place?

How could you prove that the second he made up would not effect the outcome of something later in the race.

Exactly! Ergo how can you prove that the outcome of Lewis's successful overtake was more severe than the prescribed punishment? And still it begs the question that Stewards officially found that Rosberg did not do anything wrong.

[bud]

You wanted Lewis to gets penalty Spanky? Wow that's new!