JT vs. MM

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Who's been doing/did a better job?

JT by a country mile
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74%
MM for his omnipresence and godlike autocracy
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9%
They are six of one, half a dozen of the other
2
9%
Jean who?
1
4%
Max who?
1
4%
 
Total votes : 23

JT vs. MM

Postby darwin dali » 22 Mar 12, 23:54

It's been a while since Jean Todt took over as the FIA's president. Time to evaluate his performance, don't you think?
I noticed that he's hardly ever in the headlines unlike Max Mosley used to be. Seems like JT is more of a doer behind the scene, less of a flashy attention whore. But is the quality of his leadership up to snuff?
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby LewEngBridewell » 23 Mar 12, 00:01

Hmmm. I'll have a long think about this one.... interesting. :scratchchin:

I hardly think about Jean Todt any more... he's very much a behind the scenes man!
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby darwin dali » 23 Mar 12, 00:04

LewEngBridewell wrote:Hmmm. I'll have a long think about this one.... interesting. :scratchchin:

I hardly think about Jean Todt any more... he's very much a behind the scenes man!

Dig deep, honey, dig deep :wink:
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby myownalias » 23 Mar 12, 00:35

I voted for Marilyn Manson, makes some great tunes...
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby Jabberwocky » 23 Mar 12, 01:04

Can anyone list anything that JT has done?
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby Rissoles » 23 Mar 12, 02:36

Jabberwocky wrote:Can anyone list anything that JT has done?



My thoughts exactly, his lack of public personae leaves little information as to his achievements.

Being a diligent Rissoles, I googled the boy only to have some 2010 article about him holding hands with Michelle Yeoh (who?) and a 2011 article about Bahrain come up... and not much else.

At least we got scandals with max
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby LRW » 23 Mar 12, 06:42

Jabberwocky wrote:Can anyone list anything that JT has done?


Plenty......

Justified (2002)

(And She Said) Take Me Now

(Oh No) What You Got

Cry Me A River

Cry Me A River (Remix)

Last Night

Let's Take A Ride

Like I Love You

Never Again

Nothin' Else

Right For Me

Rock Your Body

Senorita

Still On My Brain

Take It From Here

FutureSex / LoveSounds (2006)

(Another Song) All Over Again

Chop Me Up

Damn Girl

FutureSex / LoveSound

Losing My Way

Lovestoned

My Love

Pose

Sexy Ladies

Sexyback

Summer Love

Until The End Of Time

What Goes Around...

Curtis (2007)

AYO Technology

Eardrum (2007)

The Nature

Hard Candy (2008)

4 Minutes

Dance 2night

Voices

Other songs

Dead and Gone


And we haven't even got onto his acting career.......
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby racechick » 23 Mar 12, 09:11

I hated MM with a vengence!! Didnt like P P P er Jean Todt much either. Like people have said , lately he's gone quiet, so on the basis of 'least detestable' I'll have to vote for P P P er Jean Todt. (Though my vote is without the 'by a country mile ' bit attached)
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby vaptin » 23 Mar 12, 09:57

He's following Moseley's plans for cost cutting but in a quieter and more compromising way.

In-season testing being reintroduced for example, but only being allowed one, whilst the pre-season test days have been reduced.

Legalised team orders, quieting all the outrage about that.

He's supported a (return of a) French GP as well I think.

F1 seems to be going quite well at least. The only problem is the smaller teams struggling massively for cash, and some circuits too, of course these are symptoms of the amount of money Bernie glazes off from the sport.

Although I think Todt could get to work on f1's image, to make it (and teams) more attractive to sponsors. The cars are incredibly fuel efficient I believe.

Not sure how other FIA regulated motor sports are doing, although the feeder series seem to be doing ok.
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby Hammer278 » 23 Mar 12, 10:00

So far I prefer JT.

I see his role as a movie director. MM on the other hand always wanted to be some sort of superhero and ended up pissing everyone of.

The director of a show is supposed to make sure the shows are good, and so far F1 is pretty good to me. I don't really give a damn what's happening behind the scenes as long as I can eat my popcorn in a good mood.
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby Ferrari man 009 » 23 Mar 12, 10:26

Jean Todt has made some changes, and good ones, but doesnt see the need to be the centre of attention 24/7 like his two predecessors.

When something has had to be done, he has worked with the other FIA rulemakers to make a good decision, unlike Mr. Balestre who famously said this:

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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby LewEngBridewell » 23 Mar 12, 12:02

In the end, I simply plumped for Todt. There was just too much bad press and anxiety surrounding the Moseley days.
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby geetface9 » 23 Mar 12, 12:09

I kinda do support the closet freak MM. For some reason people think it's a bad thing. It's like when there was a fire chief in my city who got caught banging a goat, everybody went nuts. I, on the other hand, said I want this man as our fire chief, because I know that if this guy had to f*ck a goat to save my life, he would.
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby Hammer278 » 23 Mar 12, 13:57

Ferrari man 009 wrote:Jean Todt has made some changes, and good ones, but doesnt see the need to be the centre of attention 24/7 like his two predecessors.

When something has had to be done, he has worked with the other FIA rulemakers to make a good decision, unlike Mr. Balestre who famously said this:



Oh yeah this was a powerful scene in 'Senna', just saw it recently. Insane!! First documentary which actually got me close to tears as well, glad it did well in the nominations.
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Re: JT vs. MM

Postby killem2 » 23 Mar 12, 17:24

I think todt is doing great.

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